Samsung TVs Get First 8K HDMI 2.1 Certification

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    I agree it is a little far fetched (8K), but Samsung certainly is pushing it. Samsung Electronics has received the industry's first 8K HDMI 2.1 video standard certification for its 2019 and 2020 TVs....

    Samsung TVs Get First 8K HDMI 2.1 Certification
     
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  2. Khronikos

    Khronikos Master Guru

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    Very cool, but something tells me consumers will be entirely uninterested in this tech, and only ubiquity will get them in mass doors if we are talking non-VR. But yeah this is the beginning of what VR will bring in time.

    4K gaming isn't leaving anytime soon as a target render. 4K per eye target renders in VR will be bound loosely for a decade or more as we strive for photorealism and not more resolution. I think once you hit 4K per eye in VR you are good, and that might entail something like an 8K screen similar to how PSVR does it with one screen. I definitely see that happening.

    Film rarely goes beyond 4K in detail except for newer digital standards, and nobody will care anyway. UHD will be the last major physical format for film, and the only one we really need.

    I just can't see myself wanting to upscale most content I have to 8K even in 5 years maybe ten. The new consoles will be 6 or so years and 4K will be the target they probably won't hit 60FPS with all the bells and whistles.

    Mostly, it is VR that will need 8K.
     
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  3. slyphnier

    slyphnier Master Guru

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    VR still need to tackling with motion-sickness... latest VR already improve much yet many people cant comfortably using VR after within an hour, and resolution isnt the one solve the motion-sickness

    for 8K : https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/8k-tv-everything-you-need-to-know/
    while its true, for gaming, it will take years before true-8k resolution become common in gaming
    but other than gaming, the content will grow fast enough imo

    why u think 4k will be the end for film format ? like simply because our eyes cant see any different more than 4k ?
    now 1080p vs 4k, do it have different quality ? some people might say same quality, while other can really see the different
    but when 8k common, do people prefer getting old 4k ? i dont think so

    as the tech grow, movie maker always want to shoot at higher-resolution, as its future-proof (when remastering) and easier manipulate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution : "Despite this, filmmakers are pushing demand for 8K cameras due to their ability to capture better 4K footage."

    with the content grow, 8k eventually replacing 4k that for sure
    the point is how long it would take ? so for now indeed getting 8k tv now is kinda pointless
     
  4. fry178

    fry178 Maha Guru

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    sorry but lol.
    8K is useless, UNLESS you're either below 3ft distance to the tv, OR it has to be bigger screen than 85in.
    anything less and you won't see any difference just because the screen is too small (at tv viewing distance).
    part why i laugh everytime i see the stupid 65in samsung in 8k, were not one customer (last 10 month) could tell any difference
    to the model in 4k until they were like 2 or 3 ft away.
    But hey, at least they have the first... o_O


    and content: its easier to upscale 4k to 8k, than it is to do SD to 4k, soooo yeah.

    and its nice to see again post were someone decides what "we" need or dont need.
    just because i dont own a 20 million $ mansion, a 200 million $ superyacht, doesnt mean im gonna say we wont need those.

    we didnt get to big screens today, because everyone was happy with a 15in tube tv.:D
    if you dont want one, great, doesnt mean thats the case for the whole planet.
     

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    While there might not be a current urge for 8K, there certainly is for 4K120, I’ve been waiting years for Hdmi 2.1 to get released so we can play in 4K120 on the tv :) Now Geforce 3080 series need to come with Hdmi 2.1 and I’ll be real happy :)
     
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    The value in 8k to me is that they cant so casually half ass the hdmi 2.x specs like they did with 4k. think any 8k tv and with a 2.1 cable should be able to do 4k@120.
     
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    What do you mean 'far fectched'?
    Definition of far-fetched
    1 : brought from a remote time or place
    2 : not easily or naturally deduced or introduced : improbable a far-fetched story

    Not trying to be a pedantic boor, but that isn't the right term. I think you mean something more akin to overkill or excessive. ;) For me, I'd really like a quality 120hz 4K with both DP and HDMI 2.1.
     
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    IIRC we can see up to about 32K.
     
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    why is 8k far-fetched? i use a 4k 49" display as a desktop. that's like 4 1080p 24" screens glued together
    8k would be like 4 4k screens glued together, i really am tired of not having the desktop being higher dpi
    all this boomer talk about "8k is pointless" is really getting tiresome.
     
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    It's pointless in the living room mainly, as you would need to be sitting really close or have a massive TV. Now having a higher resolution desktop would be nice but desktop monitors have been slacking in innovation.
     

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    I would like to know why Display Port is not an option on a TV ? Is there someone out there who could enlighten me on this topic ?
     
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    1024 X 8 = 8192

    That, is all you "...need to know!..."
     
  13. Alessio1989

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    Both HDR10+ and DolbyVision?
     
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    Watch out for 8K it's all bullshit
     
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    im guessing you don't know the difference between a hardware decoder and an lcd panel.
     

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    Film itself as a medium does not really go past 4K of detail unless it is shot in 75 mm or whatever. Expensive enough that few directors use it. TV shows and TV in general hasn't even gotten close to hitting 4K across the board yet. A lot of shows are shot in digital, which can use 4K native and 8K native, but most films are still finished at 2K!

    You are still stuck in 1080p or even less for a lot of broadcast TV. That is not going to surpass 4K at all this decade en masse. There is no need for it, and it costs money to use expensive tech.

    8K in itself is so high of a resolution that you do need to be sitting increasingly close to the screen.

    Like I said 8K is useful to the industry, who can use it for medical, ads, et cetera. But it's not really useful to consumers outside of VR, and that will only be in 5-10 years time. Like I'm gaming in 1080p right now and RDR2 on my rig only goes up to 1080p 60 with my settings. And it looks absolutely bonkers too.

    When I do get a 4K TV here when HDMI 2.1 comes out, I will probably be upscaling certain games for performance. That's how far away I am personally from needing 8K lol. And I'm a tech hoe that does appreciate all the micro details that better rigs offer.
     
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    See my post above. I don't think you understand how the industry works. When consumers don't need something, it stops selling. What people are saying is that 8K has uses for mostly commercial stuff along with VR in its spectrum. But that doesn't mean it's anywhere close. Consumers cannot render 8K screens with high fidelity, and that will be for 5 more years for the most part easily. Consoles will still be doing 4K native and 30FPS for a lot of games. In 10 years we could be doing 8K in VR, at which point it will be very real, but the masses still won't have the tech.

    Boomer talk lol? You sound like some child to be quite frank. I love when these memes come out. The boomers were the people that invented all this crap son, the people that made it all possible. I don't know who you kids think the boomers are, but you wouldn't have crap today without the hard science and innovation of the 60s and 70s.

    Myself, I am tagged a millenial. But born in the 80s I don't know, those comments just look stupid as hell to me whenever I hear them. Reddit's tween dipshit gang is about the worst procreating thing on earth.
     
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    Perrrrrrfect i just ordered a 1440p monitor last day ! One step at the time! :p , in all seriousness 8k gaming is so far away ...8k=4 times the 4k pixels to drive ...or 16 times 1080p!
     
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    Finally! I don't care much about 8k but I do want TVs that support 4k @120hz. I play a lot of games that are older so running 4k at high frame rates isn't that difficult.
     
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    What we really need is a TV that has OLED colours and contrast but doesn't suffer from burn-in and includes an anti-reflective layer on the front.
     

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