Samsung 980 Pro PCIe Gen 4.0 M.2 SSD has been launched, rated at 7000 MB/sec reads

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  1. DannyD

    DannyD Master Guru

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    Solid nvme and pcie performance would incline me to put into my z490 a next-gen intel cpu as the specs says it has all the right components and would be good to go.
    Twice the performance read speeds is incredible.
     
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    Those read and write speeds are achived because the SSD uses a 1GB DDR4 RAM cache. Remember that this may cause data loss or data corruption upon power shortage.
    I think the new controller has some kind of technique to prevent that as best as possible.

    Still a pitty though, I was waiting for this SSD such a long time and now that it is going to be released with TLC instead of MLC.

    Let's say they will charge as much as the 970 Pro costs, or slightly more for the 1TB version (about 400 bucks).

    Is it worth the increased read/write speeds considering the fact that it is built with TLC?
    In my opinion, you could spent the money for the EVO Plus instead, as they're both reliable about the same level. Plus, as much as its name descirbes, receice twice as much the capacity for even a little bit cheaper.
     
  3. nosirrahx

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    Sure, but there is also an insane price. I took the plunge and did VROC 0 on 4 905p drives and the performance on both sequential and 4KQ1T1 is bonkers, but Optane is still miles from mainstream.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The pro type drives are not what you should be looking to buy. The Samsung 980 EVO's should come in larger sizes and be proper PCIe 4.0. I suspect Samsung has a ton of over-provisioning built into these 980 pro drives.
     

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    DaAaaaamn that's nice. Stuck four Sabrent rockets together in my AIC and this is what I've come up with....[​IMG]http://imgur.com/gallery/P8PzjEB

    And this didn't cost more than $800
     
  6. nosirrahx

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    Super nice but I would be interested to see what you get for 4KQ1T1, its blurry but that looks like 4KQ1T6, right?
     
  7. nosirrahx

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    I was curious so I also did a 4KQ1T6:

    [​IMG]

    Outside of a RAM disk, you just cannot touch Optane 4K random.
     
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    Pissed because my ramdisk just won't work on my RIPPAH system with 3960X and 128gb. It'll work just fine on my 3900x 32Gb, but splash screen is all I get and it disappears on my ripper!
     
  9. DeskStar

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    Price on that setup?
     
  10. nosirrahx

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    4 X 905P + Asus hyper 16X V2. Its over $2000 and you have another restriction, it can be a pain to get everything working perfectly unless you also use an Asus X299 board that supports PCIe 16X -> 4X4X4X4 bifurcation. You also need to overclock your CPU to maximize VROC performance. VROC loves CPU frequency.
     

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    This is my result with 3x Optane 900p 480GB in raid-0 on a "max" overclocked Intel system with high memoryspeed:

    [​IMG]*

    4k random read @QD=1 is pretty good :D

    7980xe @ 4700mhz and 4000c16 "max" tweaked memory (49ns mem latency 123GB/s read) on Asus Apex x299.

    Once you tried Optane, there is no turning back. Waiting for the new Optane pci-e 4.0. Using it first on my 3900x, then Rocketlake, then the new Intel HEDT ddr5 plattform in the future :p
     
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  12. nosirrahx

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    Its going to be great but with the Intel botch of no PCIe 4.0 support for a while I wonder what kind of delays we are looking at?

    I likely will jump ship to AMD by then anyway. I am good on my current workstation, literally nothing is a frustrating task at the moment so I can wait.

    I suspect that by the time I am ready to build a new system that Samsung will have a product to compete with Optane, at least I hope someone does to bring the price down a bit.
     
  13. nizzen

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    Optane perform better on Intel due to lower latency. So faster 4k random read @ QD=1, but can't wait to test Optane pci-e 4.0 with 3900x :D

    Samsung said they was going to compete with Intel Optane with " Z drive" or what is was called, but failed.
    It was way slower AND more expensive :p
     
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    Will Intel manage to keep the low latency when they switch to the chiplet way? Perhaps they will, who knows, since they don't need to be in a hurry, unlike AMD that was close to bankruptcy before Ryzen. Intel has no competitive presence in HEDT currently aside from the legacy side, but on the server side they will win contracts even today, despite only having monolithic tech. However, the server business is different from the single machine business. Only time will tell how a future MCM CPU based HEDT from Intel, with DDR5 and PCIe 4 or 5 will look like. Not even Intel itself knows it yet.
     
  15. nosirrahx

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    Samsung is a pretty sharp company though, I don't expect NAND to be as good as it gets from them indefinitely.

    Pumping sequential speed eventually becomes meaningless for most users. As it is now it is hard to find many cases where a top of the line NVMe drive blows a top of the line SATA SSD out of the water. If you are copying a crapload of ISOs from one NVMe drive to a different NVMe drive then sure, this 980 is going to be amazing. For things like launching games and booting your OS you wont be impressed moving from a 970 to a 980.

    I am super disappointed in the route Intel took with their hybrid drives where the Optane cache still required bifurcation and offloaded the actual software to the CPU. I get that it would have been crazy expensive to put a dedicated processor for caching on the drives themselves but at least we would have had a NVMe SSD with insane 4KQ1T1 performance and universal platform compatibility.
     

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