Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Apr 16, 2019.
Good point about DDR5--hard to believe x570 would require it--hope not!--we'll see.
It doesn't sound like a vendor greed issue and more of a MB limitation.
it's just like the bullsht intel with the 1151 and 1151v2.......
AMD said they would support backwards compatibility for AM4 up to 2020, it seems like they won't. that's all.
Yes... they are. Read the other comments in this thread. There are 300 series motherboards that will support Zen2.
This isn't the same bullshit as 1151 vs 1151v2. Worst-case scenario, there will be backward compatibility, which you can't say of 1151v2.
AMD != MSI
Do your Fact checks.
AMD is still supporting AM4, it's just some mobos that do not have a big enough bios chip.
As far as 1151 and v2 goes, v2 literally was rewired different. Same pin amount and array, but not the same leads.
Please do not post troll bait posts like these....
Enough talk... I want to see results!
We need faster singlecore performance and lower latency than Intel, for less money than 9900k. Then we are talking
What about seeing it for same price? It would provide same immediate value, right?
And it would provide higher value for everyone with compatible older board as they could upgrade without additional expenditure.
I really like MSI products, but if that is true, I will avoid them.
I used to buy exclusively high end MSI boards on both AMD's and intel's platform. Last time, I wanted to go with X470 Taichi due to really good design. But ASRock was very late to release. So I went with X470 from MSI which did cost more than Taichi. I was badly disappointed with large number of missing features on that MSI board. And when memory VRMs died month later, I asked for money back as Taichi became available. I immediately gained quite better memory settings. CPU voltage offset did actually work on ASRock's board, ...
Features MSI still provides on intel's side are good. They are simply cutting corners on AMD's side, but asking full price. Low end MSI boards likely provide better value as there is not that much more they can take away. But last year, I built another 2 Ryzen Based systems. One with Gigabyte mITX (mid price) board which proven to be OK. And one with cheapest available uATX MB from ASRock... where I could not believe my eyes when I saw all those features. Its BIOS had more settings I like to use than 4 times as expensive MSI's board.
May need to ditch my x370 Carbon, though it has been a very good board for me.
Next board will not be MSI.
MSI is telling an out right lie. If MSI stays true to that post I can promise you i'll never buy another MSI product.
MSI being lazy and cutting corners again? Anyway good to see ASUS coming for the rescue.
Yeah but i did expect them to support Zen 2. Of course Zen 3 was always out of question and would be a big surprise. Zen+ is nice and yeah it's an upgrade and certainly better than my last Intel system that was not upgradable at all. But it's just a small incremental upgrade not even sure it's worth it.
When i built my system i went for a x370 board (ASUS) cause i knew b350 could be left out when Zen 2 was going to be released (not necessarily by AMD but maybe by MB manufacturers because those are cheaper and often less supported). But i really expected Zen 2 to be supported on x370.
It's not a good time to be a PC gamer. I think more and more to keep my pc as it is as a workstation and buy a console to play games (PS5 or xbox whatever). GPUs are expensive as hell. Computers are not upgradable anymore outside of the gpu. And don't get me started with the price of RAM these days ...
Well i hope it's just MSI trying to be greedy.
128Mb = 16MB so no if true you're not fine as x470 can apparently store 32MB.
I'm just going to assume and hope that my mobo's will be updated considering both already have bios updates measuring in and 8.5mb on my Gigabyte x470 and 10.2mb on my Asrock b350 I'm more concerned with the Gigabyte.
The not crappy b450 MB in Canada are around 150$. I would not call this not expensive. Also some people are old and have family and don't have much free time. Upgrading a whole system takes a lot more time than just swapping a CPU. And BTW x370/b350 MBs are not old and are perfectly fine. They still support pretty much all the latest technologies.
That is the same MB i have. Bought it when the 1600 came out. Been rock solid. I love it. I'm not seeing a bios update for this MB for ryzen2 chips. That is starting to worry me. This board can handle zen2 without issue.
So wait, people who had 2nd gen X58 boards and slapped a cheap xeon 6 core in that when overclocked reached 5930k performance were dumb? Or that I wanna keep my X370 boards because its the best of the sub $150 X370 boards and upgrade my cpu to ryzen 3, Im dumb. Yea what ever dude. If my board doesnt work with ryzen 3, guess what I can get a 2600x and still be fricking happy and give my 1600 to my roommate who is on a FX 8120 and needs an upgrade.
Mate, you would be giving BJ's on daily basis to Elephants just to have those 8 cores in time of dual core chips with lower IPC and clock. (That was like Core2Duo era.)
(j/k about elephants) But seriously 2005?
Stop calling my comments trolls, ape