Ryzen Threadripper 2920X Plummets in price 1 day after Ryzen 9 3900X release

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  1. badcodeonsite

    badcodeonsite New Member

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    The distinction is not whether the chip is actually suitable for gaming, I can look at the specs and collect whether or not that's the case, the issue is how the chip is marketed

    I've shown what it looks like when a chip isn't marketed for gaming

    The THREADRIPPER, with it's aggressive name, logo, and product page which never ceases to mention gaming/streaming, is clearly marketed at gamers

    Yet, there's no less than 3 people in this thread who want to make the argument that despite AMD clearly, unequivocally marketing the chip at gamers, they feel the need to let everyone know that it isn't "primarily" for gamers

    Maybe you should be telling AMD this

    Also, you're not getting to 5ghz without liquid nitrogen on an AMD platform so your future optimism for AMD gaming is also misplaced
     
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  2. ht_addict

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    Your shilling for Intel. Your taking words, phrases and twisting them to your liking.

    "For serious Enthusiasts, Prosumers and Creators, AMD designed the new 2nd Gen Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 2920X. Boasting 12 high-performance cores capable of harnessing 24 parallel threads, the Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 2920X is the processor of choice when you need to game, stream and create at the same time."

    All this tells me it has the power to do all 3 at the same time. As an owner of a 1950X, I fully support that statement.

    You may also want to check The link below. Intel mentions "built for gaming"

    https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/processors/core.html
     
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  3. MegaFalloutFan

    MegaFalloutFan Master Guru

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    I just came to post the very same thing: The 12-Core Heavy Metal Hero for Creators Who Game
     
  4. MegaFalloutFan

    MegaFalloutFan Master Guru

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    I just lost half of my IQ reading this post.

    xeon pie is not advertised as gaming cpu, this one does.

    Game, Stream and Create =/= Just Game?

    Gaming + Streaming is much harder on CPU then just gaming, if you can game+stream you can game.
     

  5. MegaFalloutFan

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    only Asus boards come with 8 SATA ports, most otehr have 4 or 6.
    And 5 PCIe slots? if you want x1 slots then maybe, but not full sized, check PRESTIGE X570 CREATION, if you dont need M.2, you can use one M.2 for NVMe to PCIe converter for 5$ [you get x4 PCIe slot] and install 4 port SATA card so youll have 10 SATA and this board has 3 full size Gen 4 slots and 3 x1 PCIe Gen 2.0 slots.
    Since one x570 M.2 comes from CPU i got such converter for my PCIe Optane, removed the metal thingy and it will be installed this way, already tested it works fine
     
  6. jura11

    jura11 Ancient Guru

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    Hi there

    I think ASRock X570 do have 8 SATA ports and some X470 boards too have 8 SATA ports which would be probably enough

    I run previously LSI 9211-i8 with flashed IT mode on X58 I think and no issues and then on Z97 too and on X99 didn't tried

    In my case I would need board with at least 4 full sized PCI_E slots, 5 would be perfect because I'm running 4*GPUs(RTX 2080Ti, GTX1080Ti and 2*GTX1080) and 5th slot I could use for LSI 9211-i8 or something like this

    Board with 4 full sized PCI_E slots is only MSI X570 Godlike which cost £777 over here and I'm just not prepared pay for any board £777


    Hope this helps

    Thanks, Jura
     
  7. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Crashes? Are you making things up? If not, you had some defect on HW level. Because Software that does not crash on CPU with particular instruction set will not crash on CPU with same instruction set unless there is bug on HW level or CPU operation results in bits being incorrectly returned between 0 and 1.

    Most likely cause for your "Crashes" would be incorrectly configured memory. Gets to say why you had even worse performance than other people with same platform.

    Audio Crackle thrown at CPU? What about EMI instead? What made it? Did you incorrectly ground some of screws on MB?

    Looks like complete PICNIC in your case.
     
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  8. airbud7

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    Me too!.....I've only been to the store in atlanta Ga 1 time "6hr round trip" but I felt like I was in heaven! ....it was 2012 and I got a sandy bridge i3/cheap but good ASRock mobo/8gb ddr3/ and a returned HD6870 all for $249.....damn I loved that budget computer....

    I built it all myself!...I was Proud!...:D
     
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  9. MegaFalloutFan

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    I dont know how you run these cards right now on Intel, latest z390 has one x16 or two x8 + extra 1 at x4, all gen 3, older boards have it worse, much worse.
    As I mentioned before, every M2 slot is PCIe x4, it can be used for anything you want, if the card is heavy you can use extender cable, if its some sort expansion card like the SATA/RAID one it can be inserted directed into M.2 slot with the M.2 to PCie x4 adapter [thats how i use Optane drive]
    x470 is not worth it, they never made to high standards, they all trash and you will lose PCIe gen4 for future proofing
    If I was you and needed mixed Game/Work system: i would go with Latest Intel HEDT, thats tons of PCIe slots, they give Lots of PCIe lanes directly from the CPU, and on last gen all CPUs equal, no matter ifi ts 10 core or 20 core.
    If I was you and needed mixed Work/Light Gaming system: ill get Threadripper
    If I was you and needed mixed Game/Work system on a budget: ill get z390 board with PLX chip, PLX chip is expensive chip that adds PCIe lanes, currently only 2 motherboard on z390 come with PLX chip: SUPERMICRO SuperO MBD-C9Z390-PGW-O and ASUS WS Z390 PRO.
    These 2 above have 4 Full PCIe lanes, when all populated they all run at x8 speed, no x1 and x4 like in regualr boards, they have extra x1 port and TWO x4 M.2 ports that you can convert to regualr X4 ports so you have 4 full + 2 x4 + one x1
    They same price on Newegg, but Supermicro has more value, like 10 Gbit LAN port, build in wifi, tons of USB 3.1 and 3.1 gen2
    They all have 6 sata. Supermicro also has two U.2, but with the amount of expansion they have you can drop in SATA/RAID card into M.2 slot using converter and still have FOUR full sized slots, they work as x16, x16,x8,x8 or x8,x8,x8,x8

    P.S. if its not secret, what do you do with all these cards at once?
     
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  10. jura11

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    Hi there

    I use my PC for rendering mostly and currently I'm on X99 5960x and ASRock X99 WS where all GPUs are running in x8 as max, my board doesn't have PLX chip and probably due this I don't have lots of issues with my board when I use all 4 GPUs in rendering

    Current Nvidia drivers are broken when you are using board with PLX chip with more than 3*GPUs , its covered pretty good on OTOY Octane forum this issue and Nvidia still didn't fixed this issue due this I don't want get board with PLX chip

    Z390 is out of question for me that's for sure and regarding the Intel HDET, friend have X299 WS Sage board I think from Asus with which he have few issues, mainly running multiple GPUs

    Personally I don't want board with PLX and this can limit options for good boards

    10 SATA ports would be awesome but this is not really requirement for me because I can use LSI 9211-i8 which I have used previously

    I looked several times on X299 and twice I ordered X299 board and twice returned board and have borrowed twice 7900x just for testing and still not sure on that and have few issues with LSI PCI_E card as well, wouldn't recognise the card with 4*GPUs in this setup

    ThreadRipper or 3900X/3950X its probably best for my needs, I do game just don't as much as many people over here there and I would assume with 2113MHz RAM I still loose bit of performance like on AMD or Intel

    Currently running 96GB of RAM and would prefer to keep it like is it with 96GB of RAM and looks like X399 its probably best option

    Supermicro boards have used mostly their sever boards which I have used mostly on 7*GPUs setup for friend and he us using his PC for rendering only

    Will probably do few searches and decide later on, several times I wanted upgrade to ThreadRipper and several times I pulled out from this, currently I use several CPU renderers with which I would benefit from ThreadRipper or 3900X or 3950X

    Hope this helps

    Thanks, Jura
     
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  11. MegaFalloutFan

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    What are you rendering all day? Are you working in graphics? [Hey do they pay for people to render?]

    I think for you a discounted thread ripper is the best, 2 weeks ago i would say 12 core gen because it was 350$ but now just gran whatever you want they all Dropped the ball.
    If I was in your position, i would of just made me a small mini PC used for gaming when I need, small mini case [tons of good looking ones now] cheap 6 core CPU be it Ryzen 3000 or Intel, 16 or 32gb of ram [I was checking prices on newegg and if outside USA they ship internationally to many countries],
    you can get 16GB of 3600Mhz Tridenz Smaung B die [with free RGB LOL] for 99USD https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232728
    If you want to, since this small PC is lifht on power you can Double Use it as NAS, put some HDDs inside and have it always on,.
    I moved to 5Gb Ethernet, its cheap, 69$ it only uses PCIe x1 slot and its fast enough 500-540MB/s if you have money you can install two such card
    If you want to save money you can buy on ebay or aliexpress Chinese made Ethernet cards that use Realtek 2.5Gb Ethernet chip [every x570 motehrboard above Mid-Low end comes with one]
    So far only Chinese make actual Ethernet cards, i seen them for around 17USD, so thats 250MB/s, one card for your PC and one for your mini Gaming PC/NAS

    Im also building a new PC, im SLOW, last year when 9900K came out I had z370 Gigabyte Gaming 7 motherboard and 8700K, so i got 9900K and z390 Gigabyte Master Motherboard, i installed the CPU right away in my old motherboard and put the z390 away to wait for a new case, custom water cooling, tons of RGB [Middle age crisis, dont judge]
    So I have all the parts, wasted tons of money but eventually said, screw it, ill wait and see whats with Ryzen3000, so i have z390 mobo, brand new in box that i got YEAR ago, it lost 30% of its value and I need to sell it. [Im an idiot, I will no longer pre-buy anything and buy all at once]
    I decided to give Ryzen a chance, but after looking at benchmarks and thinking that I waited so long, I can wait till September and get the 16 core.
    I wanted to build a second PC to capture 4K/HDR videos, but i dont have space for it, so decided to get dedicated device with HDR screen [ 5inch tablet] that can capture 4K/60/HDR in raw format and it hs 1000Nit screen and shows right way what it captures, and SATA connection for SSD
     
  12. jura11

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    @MegaFalloutFan

    Yes I sometimes I do render whole day and some renders can take up to 12-16 hours, I do render in 4k or 8k and some renders are just 1440p ones

    Yes I have worked previously in graphics and now I'm more freelance

    Regarding the ThreadRipper 2920x I'm still not decided on this, will probably get one CPU and test it on friend board and waterblock have already fir ThreadRipper from Heatkiller IV which I bought last time and will do few tests abd decide on that if its worth it

    Buying stuff or parts from US and Newegg don't want to do it, done it few times for friend and at the end I paid import charges plus VAT on top and actual saving has quickly evaporated or rather I paid same price like over here and sometimes I paid lot more due this I'm not buying from US, my brother have flights to US every month or so and he can buy me stuff there if I need but do I really need, probably not because pound devaluation in recent months or years is not worth it

    Building another small PC not sure as I said I don't game a lot, if I do game then is lot less than most of you guys over here and therefore is not worth it for me, I don't do renders every day, sometimes I take break and just play games

    I have built few PC mostly with 8086k/8700k and few with 9900k as well, mostly they're running custom water loop and usually are with RTX 2080Ti and I can directly compare them against my loop

    For friend I will be building 3900X build with custom water loop and RTX 2080Ti and can compare too and then I can decide as friend bought already board and CPU should be delivered by end of next week and will see how it performs in some specific tasks what I do

    If I would built only gaming PC then I would probably go with Intel too but 3900X or 3800X is better value than 9900k or 8086k and due this I would twice think about the Intel offering

    Hope this helps

    Thanks, Jura
     
  13. CPC_RedDawn

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    the graph literally shows you the processors were over $600 and then dropped under $420... its not hard to do the math and not every graph has to start at 0, this would just make for some massive graphs or graphs with very wide margins.
     
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    I have to imagine that the 29** processors do a great job, as far as Workstation Tasks go. The drop in price is also a fantastic thing to behold but, I will not be buying one, anyways.
     
  15. MegaFalloutFan

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    Then wait for 3950x, I decided to wait, if im upgrading i want the best.
    Do you also capture and make videos? I got G9 and Ninja V, 8K is above what i can do, but 4K is right there, maybe ill sell my G9 and move to Blackmagic 4K but then i wont be bale to make good photos
     

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