Ahh my bad, I didn't seem to pick up on you specifying that you were talking about overclocking specifically and not Zen+ as a whole; in which case I sincerely apologize, tips hat. And in that case, I'd completely agree; it was a little disappointing. Sadly, that's something entirely out of AMD's hands, and entirely in Global Foundries. For the things AMD actually had control over, I think they absolutely knocked Zen+ right outta the park. And I'm well aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That's why I said that "I don't understand" not "everyone who disagrees with me is wrong because my opinion is the correct one; end of story".