Ryzen 7 5800X3D is gonna be hard to get due to complex production stacked cache

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. nizzen

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    It will not beat 12900k with tweaked Hynix DDR5 anyway, so it better be very cheap to even consider buying.

    Upgrading from x370 (if supported) will be the best upgrade. From like 1600x/1700x
     
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    More bad news.
    2022 just like 2021.
     
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    JamesSneed Maha Guru

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    While I'm excited by the 3D stacking technology this part is so poorly timed I am just not excited about it at all.

    By the time its out its not far from Zen4 being released. Honestly the 5800X3D is mostly just a proof of concept or benchmark stacking skew to show AMD at the top kind of like Intel's 9900-KFC was.

    Both AMD's Zen4 and Intel's Raptor Lake are about to fight it out this fall of 2022.
     

  5. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    think about how overpriced 5800x was for quite a long time due to high demand and limited supply.
    Now picture 5800X3D is gonna be worse.Complicated,expensive production.And only one sku.
    While improving cache does work quite well,it's more like a last resort option for a company.Intel had to do the same with 5775C because of the way early 14nm turned out,amd has to because of 12th gen.

    12400,12600 and 12700 are gonna sell like crazy.How amd got themselves into this situation is really mind boggling,they had the advantage in pretty much every aspect.
     
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    I`ved just read that the 3d version has 200mhz less boost than the 5800x.... I can see it being cheaper to just change my 5800x for a 5900x or wait for next gen

    That being said...i`d probably be better off getting a rtx 3080 that are pretty scarce and cost more than im prepared to pay for a hobby when my 5800x/3070 do a good enough job
     
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    Simple. AMD doesn't really care all that much about desktop chips - they can make as much money as they want on consoles that sell out as fast as they can make the chips for them and GPUs that they can sell by the pallet to crypto miners. From a business standpoint, prioritizing desktop CPUs for any reason other than improving the tech so they can put it in other things is dumb, especially when they are supply constrained on TSMC's FABs.

    Intel, on the other hand, has no revenue stream other than CPUs. They *had* to prioritize making a better chip, because they needed to improve their server products, which is their main revenue stream and is now threatened by AMD for the first time in a decade. They have been stuck in supply constraints on 14nm for years now, due to their issues getting 10nm up and running. This is their first chance in 5 years to actually grow in shipments rather than just prioritizing high price models to improve revenue.
     
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    AMD doesn't make that much from the consoles actually, MS and Sony makes deals with them which doesn't give them a lot of money.
     
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    True, but before Zen, the money from this division helped keep AMD afloat.
     
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    What situation they are still outselling intel 12gen parts lol
     
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    I currently have the vanilla 5800X so it's not really worth upgrading to this. Was hoping for a 5900X3D. This is sort of turning out to be the Radeon VII of Ryzen 5000 chips.
     
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    What situation? Competing products and back and forth competition like it's supposed to be? Not sure i understand the "situation" you think AMD is in.


    Intel has a lot of other revenue streams other then CPUs....
     
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    Erm....not really sure what situation they got into. AMD has had the upper ground, and 12th gen has provided some solid competition. It makes no sense to release something now on the old AM4, when they can focus all attention on AM5. This 3D approach is just something they just threw out there, i doubt many will upgrade straight onto that (those in 5xxx)
    Its just here, but i am more excited to see the next AM5 vs Raptor path.

    Either way, as consumers i am loving this level of competition, i am also looking forward to AMD's next GPU release as well.

    AMD is fine, Intel is fine, nvidia is fine. None of them are any in "situation" as you described.
     
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    @cucaulay malkin what situation ? They still do well on gaming and they had it for months and with the 5950x they never lost productivity as well so the situation is they lost the gaming crown for few months .... The situation is that they still keep overcharging us for their chips and they sell em still .witch is sad.
     
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    lol, some funny comments.

    using pcpartpicker/prime/microcenter, i have build over 5 rigs in the past 2y without paying more than the usual +- fluctuations,
    most at msrp (incl 3800x/3800xt/5800x), and more than a handful components even below,
    incl that i had no problems getting parts.
    so no, except for scalpers, stuff isnt overpriced/not in stock, like some make it out to be.

    but thinking that amd makes money with desktop cpus? right :D

    and anyone saying this chip doesnt make sense to buy:
    you gonna give me/others the money to buy a new cpu/board to switch to intel?
    no? then let the user decide, that is paying for it.
     
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    How exactly are they overcharging for CPUs?
     
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    I dont think AMD is overcharging on all range of products, but prices went up on medium range of AM4 CPUs, and now their representation on that segment is very weak, where now Intel is becoming stronger with CPUs like 10400F/11400F/12400F at very good price. My R5 2600 was 120€ in 2020 and for that price was really a great buy back then and still kicking today. 5 years ago was the same with both companies, just reversed.
     
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    Even though i have a very good 5800X that can reach 5ghz on many of the cores i still may just sell it and get one of these since i'm gonna be stuck on AM4 for the foreseeable future.

    I wanted a 5900X but at the time they weren't available. With my 3090 i think there's room for a good fps increase with the 5800X3D version, but we'll have to wait and see the HH comparison between the two.

    That's if i can get one and at a fair price.
     
  19. cucaulay malkin

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    lol
    maybe the one where they don't even have anything in the sub 250eur segment
    no answer for i3, none for 12400
    5600x and 5800x are beaten in performance,price,core count and pcie version by 12600 and 12700
    and as a response they're releasing 5800X3D that's gonna be hard to get.

    what situation :rolleyes:
     
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    True. Oem market gona save 12th gen tho.
     

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