Rumor: NVIDIA likely launches GeForce RTX 4090 first then later RTX 4080/70

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  1. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

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    Depends on which one he has now, but i just cant see too many people who are actually going to buy a 4090 who doesn't have an equally highend psu already - people usually buy matching tier hardware :)

    My ax1200i is almost out on its 10 year warranty though, so im considering if i should get a new psu, just to be safe.
     
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    Okay, I checked a Swedish hardware site review of the Strix which mentioned 470W total system power (in Metro Exodus) but when I check G3D review of the Suprim it does say around 450W for just the card so not sure why there is a difference. So, never mind.
     
  3. Dragam1337

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    The swedish site is wrong either way, cause it's 480 watts for the 3090 strix :)
     
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    I know you guys probably laugh right now, but I have to admit, I always overbuy on PSUs. I try to calculate at least roughly what wattage I need, and seek to get above it, or better worded, I try to put my gaming workload power draw into the most efficient wattage zone. At least I thought that's what the different qualities of "gold" or "platinum" standard on PSUs were meant to give you information for.
     
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  5. Netherwind

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    Must be it :) Either way, looks like I'll have to buy a new PSU then as my 850W won't suffice at all when the 4090 is released. I thought about making one final upgrade before I downprioritize the PC
     
  6. Dragam1337

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    Gold etc are efficiency ratings.

    For instance to be platinum rated it must be 92% efficient at 50% load. And psu's are always most efficient at 50% load.

    So your strategy is actually the ideal approach, as you want the psu load to be at 50% during gaming.
     
  7. Dragam1337

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    If you do intend to get the 4090, then yes.

    However, if you get the 4080, it will use a smaller chip than the 4090 (much like 2080 vs 2080 ti), meaning you could just continue with the same psu.
     
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    Same. It also extends the life of the PSU if it always runs well below its limits.
     
  9. fantaskarsef

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    I mean, I usually don't go double over what I try to guess, but I do check the graphs where they show the trajectory of efficiency and load coefficient, iirc. I think a platinum PSU still is more efficient at 80% load for instance than a gold PSU is at 80% load, same wattage, even same manufacturer.
    And who knows, in these times, saving energy (with higher efficiency) might as well be worth the extra currency to spend on a good PSU.

    That's my intention, same with my custom watercooling setup as well. Let alone the temps the power draw on a 4090 would mean in thermal dissipation to do.
     
  10. Dragam1337

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    That is what the efficiency ratings means, yes...
     

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    Ditto! I do the same.
     
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    Complete rubbish. 10 years ago, 75w-90W was the max for quad core and 130W for 6 core and that continutes to be the case today. Which is what 70% of gamers have. That is my point.


    Let me get this straight. According to you, nobody in the entire world goes from a 1050 to a 4090.

    What about 1060 to a 4090?
    What about a 1070?
    What about a 1080?

    Please let us know if users of those cards are allowed to buy a 4090? Or do they have to go to a 3090 first? Or maybe, they are never allowed to buy a 4090 according to you?
     
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  13. Dragam1337

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    So the 3930k totally didnt have an official TDP of 130 watts... and Intel CPUs, specifically the K skews, have never run at the advertised TDP... it was always 130+ watt in actual use. It is only with the 12900k that they bumped it WAY up. Even the 12700k is still at normal levels.

    Yeah sure, everyone goes from buying a 150 usd product to buying a 2000 usd product...

    People usually stay within a given price bracket when buying new products...
     
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    More rubbish.

    3930k used 130W, just look at the reviews. It was also an outlier which you have cherry picked. All the quad cores of the time were using 75W-90W.

    12700k uses over 200W

    You are now contradicting yourself. Previously you said that for 10 years CPU power use was the same. Now you're saying that only the 12900k "bumped it WAY up", which as I've already pointed out is also untrue, given the 12700k also uses over 200W.

    And as for "people usually stay within a given price bracket". I'll say it one more time before I give up. If somebody has a (top of the line for that gen.) 1080 or 2080ti, it is quite conceivable that they might currently be considering a 4090. Maybe you never heard of such things called "inflation" and "pay rise"? If those people choose to buy a 4090, they will very likely be buying a new PSU as well.
     
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    IF you set the "power slider" to the max in Afterburner ;)
     

  16. Dragam1337

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    Yes, you are spewing more rubbish.

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    The quad cores were never within their official TDP, always above 100w, and the 12700k is not over 200w, especially not in games.

    No, i did not, but nice attempt (not really) - i wrote "Cpu's of the same tier from the past 10 years have all used about the same amount of power." - "It is only with the 12900k that they bumped it WAY up. ".

    Yeah sure, anything is possible... someone who never cared about cars might go out tomorrow and blow their entire savings on a ferrari... how likely is it though? Yeah not very... if someone was really into having the highest end most bleeding edge hardware, then they probably wouldn't have a 1080 at this point... not that there is anything wrong with having a 1080, but then the logical upgrade path aint a 4090. Even on your acid trip that ought to be obvious to you...

    But yes, if they were to upgrade from a 1080 to a 4090, then chances are that they need to basically built an entirely new system to support the 4090...
     
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    250 series (with the "real" testarossa) , 288 GTO, F40, F50 yes, other do great sound and are cute but perform average for their price compared to other brand of the segment.
    But it's a nice experience to test one, i agree :)
     
  18. southamptonfc

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    ALL this to try to justify your original assertion that people who buy a 4090 wont need to upgrade their PSU. Several other Gurus have told you they will need to do exactly that. I told you I had to do it when upgrading to a 3080ti.

    Your opinion of what other people do and are allowed to do seems entirely based on a sample size of 1 - you.
     
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    There is no reason to laugh, and is perfectly understandable. 50% on the PSU load is the most eficient zone, and a good quality PSU will operate very low noise, if you have the computer on the desk it will make diference. Many years ago, I had a Corsair VS 450W with a FX8320E 4.6Ghz and a GTX 1060, that PSU was like a turbine, intolerable. Changed it very quickly.
     
  20. Mineria

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    Doubt that anyone would laugh at that, going for a much stronger PSU than needed is probably the longest term investment one can do when it comes to building a PC with the purpose to upgrade it over time.
    Unfortunately for themselves there are loads of people who just buy their PSU within specs and wonder why everything breaks down once they upgrade to more power hungry components.
    My current 1000W PSU has been trough quite some builds, probably going to get one that can deliver 1500-2000W once I can't use it anymore.
     

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