RTSS 6.7.0 beta 1

Discussion in 'MSI AfterBurner Application Development Forum' started by Unwinder, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. Unwinder

    Unwinder Moderator Staff Member

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    Those scary stories about missing whitelist are made up by those "fair" players who badly want to have their "falsely banned" accounts back. FO76 anticheat also has a whitelist of course, like any other anticheat. And it already contains all known hooks starting from old rusty Fraps and ending by modern hook apps.
    Everything that is misssing in whitelist is also never getting you banned, anticheats do not use heuristics and do not ban anyone preemptive just for seeing something unknown on his PC. They either block such non-whitelisted modules from injecting into the game (e.g. BE and EAC work this way, for example if I compile internal debug build RTSS and do not sign it, it simply won't be accepted by the game and overlay won't work (I meet such case daily during debugging without being banned :))) or alternately anticheat will submit info about unknown module to the server so the module can be analyzed by anticheat developers and either whitelisted or blacklisted (if they determine it as cheat related). And such analysis is alswys manual, so scary tales about "anticheat just thought that my Discord overlay is a cheat and banned me because of it" are utter bullshit. Anticheats are always banning for detecting some BLACKLISTED modules or processes, which are KNOWN to be cheat related. There is no heuristics and no "user run something we don't know about, let's ban poor guy and make him purchase a new copy" cases. That's the reason why bans are always declared to be permanent.

    Here is a short RE review of FO76 anticheat implementation:

    How to get caught by Fallout’s anti-cheat | Douggem's game hacking and reversing notes (wordpress.com)

    It is a few years old, some things got improved but it still gives a basic understanding of how FO76 anticheat works in reality. There is the list of blacklisted processes that absolutely result in ban, which includes CheatEngine and other similar memory editing software. Simply running it will result in ban, even if you don't use it to cheat. I'd say that most of "false" ban cases are related to this case. Many players use such things as trainers in other single player games and do not realize that running such software when playing multiplayer game will get result in a ban. Some third party anticheats may ban you if such software is detected installed on PC, even if it is not running.
    There is also anti-debugger protection (which may also result in ban), set of blacklisted modules (which will result in ban) and set of whitelisted moules, which are allowed to be injected in the game process. Processes missing in whitelist are not banning anyone too, they are marked as unknown and submitted to Bethesda for manual analysis and they either append whitelist or append blacklist in future updates. There are also game logic manipulation checks, uncovered by this review, which may result in ban after manual analysis from Bethesda side (e.g. abnormal container weight checks, abnormal ammo count checks etc).
     
  2. Unwinder

    Unwinder Moderator Staff Member

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    Groundhog day and deja vu, "nice weekend" continues. First the same troll person decided to continue spoiling the air and reporting my posts, then the person from yesterday reddit thread decided to create one more "You WILL get banned for using Afterburner w/ RTSS" with new "true" statements like " I do know afterburner has in the past been linked to getting people banned on some games", which I needed to comment during a few more hours. Hehe.
     
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  3. CrazY_Milojko

    CrazY_Milojko Ancient Guru

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    Things like this are a sad proof for sad state of society we live today. Anyone can write anything on the internet claiming his innocence, add few more people from the opposite sides of the fence as a fuel to the fire and here goes the neverending avalanche... In your case, MSIAB/RTSS, it's geting even worse looking how someone blatantly accuses your "child" for doing something without any hard evidence and you know how good you've raised him and how many hours you've invested into him to become what he is now. One only can imagine frustration acummulating while reading all that.

    Need to vent myself a bit with some accident from yesterday, while drinking coffe in the office before I start doing something today after 10AM. It's not directly related to that story you're talkin above but clearly shows the state of society today...

    Yesterday, it was somewhere around 5PM, maybe few minutes before, some chick nearby starded to argue over the phone. Our office is located in building with lots of other offices around and above us there are apartments where people are living. She was at the center of the building, like a giant hallway, mall like, surround by all kind of bussiness offices in every direction. She was so loud while talking over the phone, it was echoing so hard it was completely unbearable even through the closed doors. Chick was pretty good looking but quite thin blonde, polished on the outside, clearly she hasn't doing anything hard in her life, probably completely spoiled from her early days, saw her first time in my life. But, oh boy, she trashtalked so hard, while nervously walking back and forth, I was completely stunned with the dirty laundry coming from her mouth, she was "serving" every kind of dirt from her life to everyione around, cursing like it's the last day at the Earth, I mean there were dozens of people in offices around, Jesus, it was like a scene from those reality shows like Big Brother where two or more stupids were arguing for hours. She was the perfect example of those "Karen youtube freakouts"... and, of course, it was "not her fault", she was blaming everyone else over the phone, but she was innocent of course! 5 minutes had passed, 10, no one in surrounding offices hasn't reacted on her trashtalk, no one even peaked through the doors of their offices to see who was the fool shouting and screaming over the phone, unbelievable. 15 minutes and couldn't stand it anymore, I was trying to focus on some work and to finish it till the 6PM but just couldn't. Walked to the office entrance door, looked to her direction, some 15m away from me, waved few times so she could see me but she wasn't reacting. Shouted few times: "...cmon lady, give us a break, we're trying to work here!...". Think our eyes had crossed for a brief moment but she turned her look the other way and continued to trashtalk loud, she just moved few meters away. I've shouthed even louder, with a bit of angry tone in my voice, but without any effect. My wife was there also, she came to pick me up after the work, I've entered back to the office and asked her how shomething like this doesn't annoys her or anyone else around, she: "...let alone the fool...". 30 minutes had passed, 40, blonde wasn't going to stop, how-come-she-can-talk-(better word: scream)-so-loud-for-so-long, where that energy is coming from such a thin body, I would faint after 15 minutes to scream that loud non-stop?! Walked again to the office entrance door, shouted at her once more: no effect... I've grabbed one laptop, some 2.1 speakers from the closet, walked to the office entrance doors, connected everything... My wife: "...wh... what are you doing!?..." Me: "...if no one around is doing anything... I will...". Cranked up the speakers to the max:


    And finally got her attention... there is a God above!!! She walked some 10 meters away and stoped talking completely looking in every direction where that "annoying sound is coming from". I was standing at the office entrance, hands crossed looking at her, clearly saw her looking my way for a brief moment realising I was the one trying to get her attention. I've waited few more minutes with that "music" ripping those 2.1 speakers. Funny enough no one arround reacted on this and believe me it was so loud it could raise the deads from their graves :D No one complained, there was no police, nothing! Turned speakers off still looking her way, she stopped talking and continued to argue kinda whispering on the phone. "...that take care of her for good..." ...I was thinking, but... Few minutes before 6PM she started screaming over the phone again, me: "...now what!? why no one around isn't doing anything ffs?!...". My wife: "...you ain't gonna do nothing more, we're going home in few minutes, hear me?!...". Some 5, 6 minutes later locked the office, meanwhile blonde dissapeared, wanted to kick her in the butt while walking to the car but she wasn't there, if my wife wasn't around yesterday afternoon probably I would get myself into trouble :rolleyes:

    Sorry for derailing the thread, I've needed this, coffe break is over, time for work, hope I've made someone here this morning a bit funnier/easier with the stupid story above ;)
     
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  4. orangewoolcry

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    nice wall of text there bro lol
     

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    I would just not bother playing a game that pulls this level of anticheat, cheatengine has its uses - like quickly regaining things lost after a save file loss (bloody ubisoft doesn't cloud save AC:BF) or games where the story is engaging but the gameplay is pretty crap and you just want to faceroll the content to consume the story quickly.

    You can't even run process monitor without having to reboot after because it leaves some traces behind in kernel memory, and this doesn't just get picked up by some anticheats, it also blocked by wtfast and some applications with similar anti debugging.
     
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    I don't know the exact circumstances and I've never experienced this issue before now, but I just had a case of the RTSS framecounter getting stuck a 13.1fps (the rate this game drops too when afk/tabbed out)

    "Show on-screen display" continued to toggle its visibility, and the framecounter is being read from RTSS into AIDA64 and presented on my G510 LCD at the correct value.
    Starting MSI AB does not switch to the configured overlay either.

    This freeze appears to have appears to have been something specific between the update period of the overlay and the framerate itself, and might be linked to my having powered off my PG279Q to test something else a day ago (might not too)

    The game itself renders fine, and subsequent games/emulators i know/have set overlays on are not recieving it (i'll have to restart rtss it seems)

    I'll pm you the dumps i created from the 3 processes

    Restarting RTSS restored the expected behaviors.
     
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  7. Nuke

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    I use RTSS with front edge scanline sync -75 (1440p, 60hz monitor). Works marvelous but not in Vulkan API games. Tested in Path of Exile Vulkan API mode. I see floating 59-60fps limiter depending on scene, as result tear line sweaming from top to bottom. Both cpu and gpu works half power. In-game limiter working better.
    (no idea why game so dark on a screenshots)
    PathOfExile_x64Steam_2021_06_12_11_04_59_009.jpg PathOfExile_x64Steam_2021_06_12_11_05_33_847.jpg
     
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