Rocket Lake Won't See a release this year, Intel HEDT chips stays at 18 cores for now

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

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    I think they are giving up. The statement of their ceo that benchmarks does not matter and 18cores hedt is enough it sure sounds that way.
     
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    Oh darn, I'll have to suffer with the better cpu / value option from AMD, sniff.
     
  4. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    So what now? 14nm is literally the best performance Intel got?
     

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    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    Intel's 7nm really needs to pan out, otherwise everyone will literally depend on TSMC, which will be awful.
     
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    how many rockets is it and is it pointed into or out of the lake?
     
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  7. karma777police

    karma777police Master Guru

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    X299 is the longest lasting platform that I have dealt with. I have it and it is such great chipset, rock solid. X299 has enough pins and power delivery that it can handle Comet and Rocket Lake version for it.
     
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    Well, unless they shave off the top of the die like they did with the 10900K and 10600K, what else can they do other than to re-release the same product again for a lower price?
     
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    They absolutely are giving up the HEDT space to AMD. This is of course very low volume sales in the grand scheme of things so It is smart for Intel to concede HEDT. It would be extremely hard and costly for Intel to compete right now. All good news for AMD and frankly until AMD is close to 50% market share I'm pulling for AMD as we all benefit from this competition.
     
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    Because the 7000 series HEDT CPUs are still sold today by simple re-packaging them :p
     

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    Frankly, I'm not happy what happened with HEDT and AMD. A Ryzen 16-core is not HEDT, since it lacks the platform features, and a 24-core TR is a lot more expensive then HEDT used to be if you just needed additional PCIe lanes to work with. I would've loved a 16-core HEDT option at more reasonable pricing then the 24-core TR.

    So when its time to upgrade I'll either have to buy a more expensive CPU then I really need, or try to get by with less lanes... which might be the better option if I can maybe also swap more things to PCIe 4.0, which is not clear yet if thats going to be possible.
     
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    That's a good idea, they could do higher performing refresh models - I don't know that it would make financial sense but it would be a good look for their existing x299 customers.

    I doubt it will happen because it would require Intel to price the new SKUs competitively... that would mean pricing new HEDT parts significantly cheaper than they have in the past. IMO they won't do that for fear of looking like the "budget" option and tarnishing their brand.
     
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    while people that actively need all those pcie lanes are few, i would agree that a 12 and 16 core are needed on the hedt platform ...or at least 16core like a 3950HX .... with prices equivalent to their desktop counterparts they do not even need to be high volume productions just few dozen thousands of those will cover that part and everyone will be happy
     
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    "A Ryzen 16-core is not HEDT"

    its not Threadripper is.
     
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    Yeah if you really need the lanes and not just the bandwidth it is a tough one right now. You may give some thought as to why you need that many lanes and see what you can do about that on the next build like SAS card + expander if its SSD drives etc. The price of the PLX chips aka PCIe switches that you would find on some higher end boards are no longer in production because the chips went up 3x in cost. I haven't looked in a while but you may look into PCIe switches but I suspect they are going to be about the same price as going full on Threadripper.
     

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    It sounds a bit like you are anticipating a standstill from TSMC and AMD until Q4 2022 - is that the case?

    You got that right. Jim Keller is not exactly Mr. Nobody, however, you should look into the European Court of Justice ruling and fining of Intel for an amount of €1.06 billion due anti competitive practices. There may have been other factors affecting AMDs ability to compete for a long period of time, which isn't tied to Jim Keller's lack of precesence at AMD. Thankfully, Jim Keller came back to AMD after the reconstruction of the company and the insertion of Lisa Su as CEO and acted as chief architect on the Zen microarchitecture, which forms the original and fundamental idea of the Zen-based processors. However, Jim Keller does not decide what AMD should do with future branches of the foundation he created. He may be able to have some anticipation to the original ideas potential in the near term future, as of 2015 when he left AMD, however, beyond a certain point, predictions will become increasingly more inaccurate and uncertain, as the microarchitecture itself does not account for other contributing factors, such as the evolment of process node technology, not to mention that AMD is a fabless semiconductor company and can as such leverage on the best technology the market can deliver to them. In other words, they are not tied to TSMC per say, however, they are very likely to stay there for the foreseable future.

    Again, you seem to disregard to possibility of AMD evolving during the next couple of years. A lot of factors are going to have ramifications on their ability to grow at all fronts in the period from now towards Q4 2022. Who knows, maybe Jim Keller will be back at AMD again by then?

    Why not just relish the prospect of competition and not one trouncing or destroying the other? As consumers, we win in that case. No reason to be butthurt by not getting the annual 5% increment in performance and 10% price hike plus the need for a new motherboard every other generation while noone is there to compete and make everything more interesting and benificial for the consumer.
     
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    Another butt hurt intel troll. Lol. You think AMD will be stagnant during that time? We, smart consumers, are not stuck with one manufacturer we'll see by that year who got the best price/performance and here's hoping that Intel will not have another 14nm crap you seem to enjoy.
     
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    @ToxicTaZ yes but my dad has a bigger battleship that and he has a Ferrari too and beats your dad ! ...
     
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    Let's wait and see.
    And let's hope that the new Intel miraculous architecture doesn't end with so many security vulnerabilities as Skylake did, as the patches issued to cover those cut a big part of the performance or hyperthreading in some cases.
     
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    Nice copy pasta. Remind me when Intel actually deliver your pasta :D
     
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