Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Nov 16, 2020.
Says the profile with 50 posts, first one being in 2019. Just sod off, kthxbye.
I bought a 3700x and then updated to a 3950x for productivity, and I love it.
It's perfect for a modder who's got a decent following who both likes to game and make game content, and possibly do for-hire stuff too.
It doesn't need crazy liquid cooling anything, it isn't loud (not even close), it doesn't roast me out of the room, it doesn't blow a fuse when I turn it on with another system running in here - nor did it take me to the bank - which is most important.
So yes, the big sockets are for serious work, no doubt - but there's a lot of us who need our PC to game AND work, and don't want to break the bank doing so (or just have no desire to go HEDT as it's not going to return the investment much better in regards to time VS a decent core-count AM4 machine by comparison).
Most times I don't even make use of what an 8-core 16-thread 3700x did at full tilt; but then again, especially with BeamNG Drive or when I am doing my backups (zip, unzip, all-SSD here so I use a lot of compression and so-forth), I am very thankful for this 3950x.
Most folks won't need more than 8 cores, so your argument stands well - but I did have to add that there's a certain subset of us who need (or just want and can afford) a 12 or 16 core processor.
Just fire up BeamNG Drive and open the UI interface customization screen, and add the Traffic Control App or whatever it's called. It lets you spawn a bunch of vehicles in and use them as traffic. It will work the CPU up until you hit the DX11 draw call limit (single core limitation for DX 11 feeding render calls to the GPU, same thing that MS Flight Sim 2020 hits), which is usually around 12~14 cores before you get diminishing returns on the AM4 platform with BeamNG Drive's physics VS said draw calls.
If you like realistic driving, you should definitely try the game out as it's quite entertaining to make a big accident with the soft-body physics... or with the piano prop
Yes, yes you can put a piano in the road and let traffic hit it, it's pretty priceless. Or you can haul 50+ of them in a tractor trailer, sometimes choose to go off road with it, slamming them around a bit, and be glad for having a 3900x/3950x / 5900x/5950x.
You are a complete tool
Argue all you want, your intel biased is in the open. Deny all of the logic and modern reason you want as well.
Post count means nothing here. That's like crying KDR is all that matters in gaming.
I could have 10x what I do for how long I have been registered and had been lurking guru3d for 3 years before I joined up. And I have been around computers since 1990.
Yeah, 100% true that. I didn't sign up until somewhat recently as this site registration would never get me a confirmation email - not even to my spam folder.
I didn't take interest myself to computers until I played TANK WARS (bomb exe) in DOS on a friend's dad's PC back around 1991~1992 or so, and when I got my own 486 used, as a teenager, in 1994 - was so happy. Couldn't pry me off that thing with the jaws of life until I murdered it accidentally in some way shape or form.
Being Intel or AMD biased over anything besides features and innovation is just... well, kind of pointless. There is one thing I'm a fan of (though possibly falling short of a fanboy of) myself - competent performance at a good price! Something doesn't help me get done work if it's only 5% faster at double the cost, but if it means I get 8 cores vs 4 for 300$ I am 'so in' on that.
When the computer dies I go down to the parts store cash-in-hand, after some trial and error here of "seeing if I can bring life back to it without throwing money at it". Whatever I come home with is whatever performs well for the price (once you take into account things like: can it be air cooled, will it work with my power supply I have already - if not how much extra will one be, can I tolerate said additional noise from power/cooling/temperature needs VS the leading brand or will it even fit in my existing case, does it do what I need to do or is it at this point just worth replacing the entire tower or buying into a motherboard/cpu combo with new RAM vs just a motherboard or whatever part is needed, will I need new RAM entirely or is it just recommended for that last 5~10% and do I have enough RAM, am I spending hundreds if not more just to kick the can down the proverbial FPS road for just 5~10 more FPS or is this going to give me double the speed of what I'm replacing and really feel like money-well-spent? ...and SO many other questions or specifics).
I know when I had "had enough" of the limits of my Z97/4790k system and it wasn't acting right anymore after the power substation blew up (though I did eventually get it running decent with time as a backup machine - it was 5 years old, time for new one), and I moved to originally a 3700x/x570 chip-set system (later got 3950x), the reviews gave me no clue just how much more powerful the processor was when new instructions were used (e.g. RIMWORLD went from crawl to LUDICROUS SPEED / PLAID) vs the five-year-old model.
So yeah, entirely, let folks who wish to be fan boys of one company or another just lull themselves into wasting their money/ not getting as much for their dollar as others with a more open mind. That'll keep more good stuff for us
For those on Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge or even Haswell 4.6ghz and lower / Skylake or Kaby Lake that's not a 4.8~5ghz screamer - time to get a new one if you feel you need one.
For those one 1st gen (or possibly 2nd gen Ryzen systems) - if you can upgrade without a new board, and you need to, there's definitely gains to be had - but only worth it if you're not replacing the motherboard too. That said there's not a whole lot you can't do in modern games with a Haswell or 1st gen Ryzen system - but if you have something that needs a boost, there's definitely some greener grass on the other side of the pasture, so to speak.
For those who still get acceptable performance from their system (including 1% lows when it comes to FPS), I would say you're not missing too much and shouldn't be running to the store with the credit cards. That said though, for those that need it, there's still a jump in performance to be had - and it isn't always evident from reviews just how much.
I can game with a 4core 4 thread haswell just fine, the only thing that is holding it back is when it hits 100% then it can micro stutter, but fps is still high mind you (no strange low fps drops, like out of vram fps drops). 8core 16thread will be more then overkill once I get one, for me anything more then 8core is a waste, Im not going to use all those core/ threads anyway.
I see some people now saying 8core is somehow the minimum or even the past then you must be high in clouds, just because there are options with more cores available now.
No game will use more then 16threads now or in the near future, I bet my left limb on that lol
Speaking of I posted this chart in another thread, and the base single core boost for top tier 11900K 8core is 5.3ghz
That cinebench20 single core 655 was at stock 11900K single core perf. then.
That was the biggest issue I had when I was playing around with an i5 4460. It was the frame times and micro stutter. FPS was solid and not many drops but it just was not as smooth as the i7 950 I had with 8 threads even if the IPC was quite a bit in jump.
DX11 is limited to 12 threads at best before it completely taps out on draw calls as well.
Even BF1 online only uses about 12 threads avg when I have core parking on with my 2700x.
BFV online in DX12 does use all 16 threads.
Right now, I completely see for strict gaming, the sweet spot is still 6-12thread cpus.
450W power draw? xD