RivaTuner + SoftR9700 (R9500 into R9700) !!

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    You all read about the hardware modification to turn your Radeon 9500 into a Radeon 9700 with the soldier and BIOS trick right ? This time we'll talk about modification at software level!

    Unwinder's attempts to unlock additional 4 pixel pipelines in RADEON 9500 64MB have succeeded at last, so his SoftR9700 patch script can turn any 128-bit R9500 into 9500PRO and any 256-bit R9500 into R9700 without soldering resistor on R300
    GPU and loosing warranty!

    IXBT.com is preparing a detailed review on how to do all this, and nvWorld.ru & Guru3D.com are preparing to launch new RivaTuner v2.0 RC12.1, which will contain SoftR9700 scripts.

    Expect the new Rivatuner in about 1-2 weeks !

    If you like to discuss this topic then please do it in this forum-thread where the programmer can be found also. I must warn you though do not bug him with questions like 'how much longer until the new RivaTuner is out'. To post/reply you need to be registered to the forums.
     
  2. Dzhedaj

    Dzhedaj Active Member

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    What are the differences between R9500 128-bit and R9500 256-bit? I haven't noticed different versions anywhere. The only difference is 128mb version and 64mb version. Can somebody please explain?
    And also I think Ati will soon see this trick and modify the cards so it can't be done.
     
  3. Kakaru2

    Kakaru2 Master Guru

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    These are great news. Hardly 12.1 if you asked me, more like 13, but it's not my call.

    @dzhedah

    9500 64 mb has 128 bit mem.
    9500 128 mb has 256 bit mem.
     
  4. jam_mango

    jam_mango Guest

    Will this work with all 9500pros (the 128 to 256bit) or are there only some specific brands on wich it can be enabled.?
     

  5. MJ_Toker

    MJ_Toker Guest

    It won't work with 9500 pros full stop. It will only turn a 9500 into a 9500 pro or a 9700 if you have a 128mb 9500 on a 9700 PCB.

    Good work Unwinder, looks like your gonna be saving alot of people alot of hassle!

    Can we not download the Soft9700 script to use for the time being until you the new version of RivaTuner is ready? I've just got my 128meg 9500 siting here now ready to be turned into a 9700 but don't want to try the hardware mod as it will invalidate the warranty.

    Is there any chance you could email me the script to test Unwinder?
     
  6. epi

    epi Guest

    "Do any of you know if this would also work for the 9500PRO?"

    Nope. Pro's allready have 8 pipelines, and they come with a different layout, they simply don't have the same 256 bit supporting "traces" to the rams on their boards.





    "Now which is the 256 bit 9500?"

    128mb version is 256 bit and can be transformed to a 9700, 64mb version is 128 bit and can be transformed to a 9500 Pro.






    "Which brand should I buy ?"

    Apparently all of them are built by Ati and sent to the companies for now (Just check the pics, they are all the same, and look identical to the 9700s). And all of them are based on the 9700's layout. It seems like they are 9700 with one little change.


    All you need is a Radeon 9500 equiped with 128 mb of ram


    "I have a 64mb 9500, will the trick work with my card ?

    The 64mb versions simply don't have the required hdw to turn to a 9700. 64 mb 9500s are convertible to 9500 Pro, as the trick enables the additionnal 4 pipelines.

    They are right about the following: "128MB versions of RADEON 9500 based solutions feature 256bit memory bus, since they have all 8 memory chips installed"

    256 bit seems to be the default value for those 128 mb 9500s, they just can't use it because they are fill rate limited (only 4 pipelines)

    I've also found this on tomshardware, in an early review with early samples:


    "ATI sent us a 9500 PRO, which is still at a prototype stage. The final board design is not yet ready, so the chip of the test card runs on a 9700 board, which in turn accesses the memory through a 256-bit bus. Because the 9500 chip can only access memory via 128-bit, the prototype card is equipped with only 64 MB instead of 128 MB memory. The performance of the chip and memory correspond to the card when it reaches the production stage"

    So it seems like this is the reason why they have changes the layout for the 9500 Pro's. Don't buy a 9500 Pro, buy a 9500 with 128 mb of ram.





    This is A LOT better than the old Celeron 300A trick, or the softquadro patch, a software worth 200$. It's gonna become a Tweaking Legend!

    Unwinder, you're the greatest.
     
  7. PowerSupply

    PowerSupply New Member

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    Soon a Radeon 9500->9700!!
    Please hurry!

    I'm also sitting here with my 9500 ready but I dont want to test the hardware-mod if this thing works (you really sure?)?

    Bad thing is that I got a refund time of just 10 days. I intend to return my 9500 if this mod doesn't work. It would therefore be great if you could release this software mod as soon as you can as it would make it possible for me to get my money back in case of failure. I'm dont think I'm the only one having this problem.

    Well anyway: GOOD JOB!
    (if it works)

    / PowerSupply
     
  8. epi

    epi Guest

    Unwinder doesn't disappoint.

    Don't try the hdw-mod, wait a few days. Don't void your warranty for nothing.

    Hey Unwinder, check this:

    [​IMG]

    I bet that's the next thing you'll be doing.

    (In software of course)
     
  9. MJ_Toker

    MJ_Toker Guest

    Will a 9700 Bios flash still be needed or not?

    If not, will we be able to overclock them to 9700 pro levels like we can if we do the hardware mod and flash the bios?

    cheers
     
  10. HolySin

    HolySin Guest

    How do I know wich 9500 use the 9700 PCB? A friend told me that only the ones sold by ATi don't use the 9700 PCB, and that the other companies do...
     

  11. HolySin

    HolySin Guest

    btw, I was checking a store and it said this:

    ATI OEM RADEON 9500 128MB DDR BULK
    Chipset: ATI RADEON 9500
    Memory:128MB 128-bit DDR memory
    is this the right one that you can change to 9700?
     
  12. MJ_Toker

    MJ_Toker Guest

    You need the ones with 2 memory chips horizontal to the GPU and to vertical to it.

    You DON'T want the ones with all the chips above the GPU, they can only be turned into 9500 pros rather than 9700s cause they only have 128bit memory bus

    You need to look at it, or ask the place your buying it from to look at it to be sure
     
  13. HolySin

    HolySin Guest

  14. MJ_Toker

    MJ_Toker Guest

    Thats the one. the colour does'nt matter, just the RAM arrangement.
     
  15. epi

    epi Guest

    I haven't heard of another layout for the 9500s. To my understanding the boards are all the same.

    Look it's the 9700 Pro:

    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ati/radeon9700pro/cardfront.jpg

    And it's the same as the sapphiretech 9500. Just a change of color, not layout.

    "You need the ones with 2 memory chips horizontal to the GPU and to vertical to it.

    You DON'T want the ones with all the chips above the GPU, they can only be turned into 9500 pros rather than 9700s cause they only have 128bit memory bus"

    I think the boards you're talking about are te new 9500 Pros. I haven't seen a 9500 with 4 rams above the gpu.
     

  16. cbromley99

    cbromley99 Guest

    How likely (%) is this gonna work? I'd hate to buy a radeon 9500 and be disapointed.......
     
  17. Upke

    Upke Member

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    GREAT NEWS!!!!!

    I think Ill sell this TI 4200 and buy my self a radeon 9500 128 MB and turn it in a radeon 9700.
    I want to know to...
     
  18. coctavian

    coctavian Guest

    When can we see some benchmarks with Radeon 9500 modified by software into a Radeon 9700?
     
  19. loop29

    loop29 Master Guru

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    Holy ****, Unwinder,

    that´s great news for the gamer community. You will get a whole new crowd of friends :D

    As you can tell I bet that next is coming something with 9700 to X1 or similar stuff.

    regards
     
  20. ataxy

    ataxy Member Guru

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    they look exactly like a 9700
    [​IMG]
    the other have all there ram in one single row
     
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