Review: The Division 2: PC graphics performance benchmark analysis

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  1. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

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    So that means less texture popin and stutter. That translates in better experience even if you have slower gpu like rx580 compared to 1660.
     
  2. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    Bloody hell, 970 has really fallen bellow... That card was equivalent to 290/390/480/580 in performance and now it's looking very weak...

    I'm wondering how the 4GB versions of the 470/480/570/580 compare, if it's a VRAM issue (Fury, is typically also falling behind in this regard, but it's not too bad in this game at least) but 970, performance is just woeful in comparison.

    Is the 970 suffering from the kepler effect? Maybe the 980 too?
     
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  3. JonasBeckman

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    Yeah that too, stuttering and dips for a online game especially competitive can be quite a problem. Hitching during critical moments can be quite a hassle so no wonder it's so common to dial down settings to near or below min-spec among other advantages this can provide.

    Things changed pretty quickly after hovering around 3 - 4 GB too, 5 or near 6 and then up to 8 GB or even higher and it's not just cache either but actual data being stored and newer games pushing even above 8 GB particularly if combined with high-res textures or texture pack add-ons and then higher display resolutions such as ultra wide 3440x1440 becoming more supported and popular but also 3840x2160 itself or higher though now we're pretty much requiring a high-end GPU to drive that.
    (Not helped by the lower number of SLI and Crossfire titles and support here.)
     
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  4. Undying

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    980ti is also slower than rx590 in this game. Kepler is getting old.
     

  5. tyr8338

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    If 970 vram runs out easy fix is to lower shadow or texture resolution most probably.

    On i7-4770k @ 4.2GHz with 16gigs of 2400MHz cl10 DDR3 and gf 1080 ti OC I noticed huge fps gain after upgrading my driver to latest and changing to dx12 render, 84 fps in ultra settings 1440p, before that in dx11 I`ve got 72 fps.


    I`ve noticed dx11 ofter utilzes 100% of my cpu while my gpu is at 85-95% and fps goes down while dx12 keeps cpu at max 80% while gpu is 100% non stop and my fps is much higher and stable especially in busy parts of the benchmark when alot happens on screen.

    ps. after setting ultra details you still can put shadows and reflrections one notch higher, especially shadows on max look noticably better compared to default ultra preset.
     
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    Well same problem you describe are as well in DX11 and as for random crashes being fixed, I had three and my mate in mission two in last hour during single mission.
     
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    Whats the point in eating up all VRAM? Any visual differences? Any differences in frametimes?
    Or just filling up empty space?
     
  8. Ananke

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    I played the game in Beta last weekend for two days, and I covered all content in the Beta - on Radeon R380 4GB on High, 1080p, apparently in DX11 - it runs smooth, didn't experience any glitches or crashes, and it is actually pretty good game. I think game mechanics are refined from the previous title, but can't recall examples right now. CPU is i5-9600k non-overclocked, RAM is XMP 3400 MHz, temps are all normal around 10 degree above ambient for hours on air cooler...
    If anybody has problems - it might be from overclocks, RAM, and surely 4GB VRAM is today's minimum, older NVidia GPUs with 3GB just don't cut it.
     
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  9. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    That about sums it up. I thought that the 1660ti would handily beat the 590 in this title.


    Just fill up all the video cards things...because that's what memory is for amiright? /s
     
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    I find the Radeon VII VRAM usage weirdly high. Maybe some of it is just buffered/cached but if it isn't, I imagine that's hindering its performance.
     

  11. Undying

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    HH mentioned how performance is uneffected with high vram usage and gameplay is smoorth.

    I would argue its even smoother than other cards not slower.
     
  12. Denial

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    980Ti is slower than the 590 in a few games - TPU's average puts it only 5% at 590 launch. More importantly it's exactly 12% slower than the 1070 in this - which is identical to the TPU average when the 1070 launched.

    I think the 970 is definitely just VRAM issue. Probably pegging that .5GB partition to death.


    It's definitely just cache - more and more games are doing this and it's a good practice. Unused VRAM/RAM is wasted RAM. Manage the cache properly and it should theoretically lead to smoother performance at basically no downside.
     
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    Unless he somehow found a way to reduce VRAM usage for that specific GPU, there's no way to prove whether the amount of used VRAM has an impact on that GPU's framerate.
    It's also worth pointing out there's a big difference between higher average framerates and a smoother experience. I could totally see the high VRAM usage (without maxing out the GPU) would improve smoothness, but, depending on how that memory is used, it could lower the overall framerate due to the increased bandwidth.
     
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    It would be interesting to see the Min fps for this game for each gpu.
     
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    Only way to know if vram is an issue is to test 2 of the same cards with different vram. Say a Rx580 4gb vs 8gb versions. Comparing different cards with lesser or more vram is useless.
     
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    I don't see how the bandwidth would be increased. In fact it should be the opposite as a larger amount of used textures should always be stored and never unloaded where as if it was limited to a lower value it would be more aggressive about clearing the cache and reloading.
     
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    Exactly! Lol! I guess some folks haven't moved to high resolution gaming just yet...;)
     
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    Again, depends on how the memory is used. If it's strictly just cache/buffer then yes, it will have little to no impact on bandwidth. But I remember back when GPUs were first starting to implement stuff like texture compression in VRAM, where you pretty much got the same level of detail but you could save a LOT of memory, and in turn, reduce bandwidth. This also helped improve performance.
    So, depending how this GPU is handling its data, if for example texture compression is very "loose", that could saturate more bandwidth and therefore reduce framerate.
     
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  19. waltc3

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    So your idea is that AMD optimized the game for the RX-590 and the nVidia 1070, but not the 1660ti?...;)
     
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    Interesting that my stock Radeon 7 (well it is slightly undervolted) using a 7820X which is worse for gaming than the 9900k, averaged 93fps @1440p with ultra settings using the benchmark. That is a fairly large difference from what is in the charts.
     

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