Review: Ryzen 9 7950X processor (with ASRock X670E Taichi motherboard)

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  1. Krizby

    Krizby Ancient Guru

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    TPU has good gaming efficiency chart :)
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    12400F kinda embarrass everything else really

    Yup, if you are selling the old CPU, might as well sell CPU+Mobo+RAM.
    That's why I will stick with DDR4 for another few years, 13700F + B660 + DDR4 look like killer next-gen.
    DLSS3 would remove the need for fast CPU in a few years too, that's something to think about.
     
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    Yes, these are weird times and the normal rules are not applicable. New architectures all round both CPU and GPU, post Mining boom but mid global crysis. Also different people have different priorities both in how they use their rig and how much they are willing to spend. The one thing going for AMD is the upgrade path, AM5 would hopefully have a similar lifespan to AM4, thats why i am flip flopping between changing my 3800x for a 5800x3d or just waiting a few months and completely changing my who rig. Either way this weekend il be upgrading my cooling by swapping out the radiators for thicker ones, the 30mm ones were fine in the UK and my 1080ti/3800x but il need something beefier in the future
     
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    well, to a large extent yes, but only if it improves and dlss3 capabable cards start selling at near normal prices.

    I hope there's a 7600x3d this round, even though not really my type of purchase, it'd be amazing for efficiency.
     
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    Who knows, Nvidia might allow Frame generation on rtx2000/3000 or AMD/Intel develop their own frame generation techs.

    Man Nvidia is tossing a big rock at CPU makers since they can't enter the CPU business LOL
     
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    not happening.

    I see it more like adding more cpu headroom to rtx40 adopters. mind you all dlss3 footage was on 12900k already. think about people who are going to pair it with an older i5/r5 like 11400f or 3600. frankly if it wasn't for circumventing cpu limitations, I'd be disappointed in dlss3 so far.
     
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    Nvidia is kinda have to make DLSS3 support for rtx2000/3000, in order to show off the superiority of ADA tensor cores. Just like when Nvidia enabled RT on Pascal, but the perf is so bad no one actually try RT with Pascal anyways.

    I guess currently Nvidia is prioritizing DLSS3 on ADA first, not like they have infinite human/AI resources to do everything at once.
     
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    but you didn't follow through with how excellent 5xxx and 7xxx are with undervolting, basically outstripping that charted performance
    YES, AL was a breakthrough for Intel and YES, they will last as long as any cpu.

    but they are EOL and RL is better by every metric
     
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    every cpu has lower power draw after undervolting, it's not a ryzen specific feature.how well a cpu can undervolt is down to silicon lottery.it's just the fact that the most power hungry chips always have the most to gain.I was able to take my 10700f down by over 100mv from stock 1.36v to uv'd 1.23-1.26v
     
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    who said it was a feature unique to ryzen?
     
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    cause you said I forgot to mention how r5000/7000 undervolt, not how every other cpu does the same.
     
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    LOL yeah only Ryzen can be tweaked, according to some people.
     
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    nah it's just that the case was being made for AL, which is fine if you've got it, w/o the comparables
     
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    I'm not going to find undervolting data for every cpu in that chart, that's impossible to begin with since it's always ultimately down to silicon lottery. the case was made for 12400,which certainly doesn't need it (though it obviously can be undervolted like every other cpu)
     
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    5800X3D is still best for gamers. Even if a 7800X3D is released it'll be amazingly fast for games but probably overkill for most users.

    I foresee a 5800X3D being plenty powerful enough for at least the next 3 years. I have no need for anything more powerful than a 3090/5800X3D system @ 1440p 240hz.

    I've even started using half refresh rates on purpose, 120hz = 120fps solid while GPU temps remain below 60C and gfx card only uses about 250w this way. No undervolt or tampering needed.

    Doing this i can hardly tell the difference between 240 and 120 fps unless i go on the UFO website where it's clear and easy to see the difference. In games though it's hard to tell.
     
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    Any CPU bought in the last three years will likely be enough to game on for the next three years - at least. Yes, there are always outliers, and competitive gamers will always need the best of the best, but for the rest of us - a 10600K or a 5600X will do just fine. Invest in GPUs, if you can.

    Don't buy into bs marketing - prices will not keep going up forever. Those of us who are older have already been through these boom-bust cycles. Remember the Pentium III 1Ghz? It was $990 ($1640 adjusted for inflation), the 733Mhz PIII debuted at $776 ($1320).
     

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    was going to post it uh guys...I didn't realize ryzen 7000 was such an improvement :eek:
    I complained a lot about the 12900k (mostly about ddr5, cpu lanes and the e-cores being bad) but I never realized Intel was that bad it would take a miracle for 13th gen to be anywhere near Ryzen 7000

    cinebench R23 scores :

    38795 - 7950x @ 250w (buildzoid)
    38597 - 7950x @ 200w (buildzoid)
    37991 - 7950x @ 175w (buildzoid)
    29259 - 7950x @ 75w (buildzoid) o_O
    29122 - 5950x @ 188w (me)
    28006 - 12900k @ 251w (me)

    edit : forgot the funny part the 75w result sorry :oops:
     
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    Ryzen is still king in performance per watt in Cinebench. Testet 7950x and Asus Hero for 2 days now.

    For gaming, 7950x with 6200c28 57ns tweaked is still behind 12900k with 7000c30 memory. Fps is way more up and down compared to 12900k. Looks like Zen 4 NEEDS the 3d models for gaming. Tweaked memory helps, but not enough.
     
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    thanks I'm not surprised it resembles what I saw with the 5950x, more dropped frames, ups and downs and stuttering and why I switched to 12900k for gaming (pre 5800x3d)
    z690 and those fake e-cores were so bad for my use often at 90+ cpu and gpu usage that frankly if 7950x hadn't been so much better I'd have returned to my 5950x I game but not enough anymore to justify dedicating to it, getting older all that ;)
     
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    Well, ive decided to change my 3800x for a 5800x3d and add another 32gb RAM, thats less money than just a half decent next gen MOBO.
    The 3800x will now joint my old 1080Ti in a spare rig.
     
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