Review: Intel Core i9-13900K

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  1. Meathelix1

    Meathelix1 Master Guru

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    So, if you got a 12000 intel and a 5000 series AMD you will be fine for another 2-3 more years... At least it's not $4000 like GPUs. lol
     
  2. fantaskarsef

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    So I'm asking this because of trying to figure out the best buy for myself, not to question your testimony or your friends' decision, but what did they do with newer AMD generations on the chipsets they had? Sure, it works, but did they feel anything missing? How did they fare referring to newer GPUs and PCIe generations (AM4 supports from PCIe 2 to 4, which is argueably a huge difference).
    So buying AM5 might give you PCIe 5.0, but that's already showing limitations (in very special cases) with a 4090. Let alone a TI, and what AMD might come up with. As the main difference feature between generations, that came to my mind as a possible downside with updating your AM5 system without changing the mainboard. And keeping old RAM, since they also did improve over time etc.
     
  3. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    I personally upgraded my board twice - I had a 1700X with a X370 board then eventually slotted in a 3900X to that board when that came out. Then eventually upgraded the board to a X570 with a 5900X but I didn't even need to go for a X570.. the only reason i did is because I wanted to free up the entire x370/3900X for a server. As far as features I never really cared for anything the boards were offering.. maybe nvme? I can't even remember if the 370 supported that or not. But it's not make or breaking my build.

    As far as PCI-E, do you mean PCIe 4 is showing limitations?

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    I think PCI-E 5 is safe for a few generations.

    At my resolution even a 4090 in 2.0 you're only losing like 6% performance on average if I stayed with that original board. On a 3080 (my current card) I don't even know if I'd lose any performance really outside of margin of error on the x370.

    So in theory I could have kept my original X370 and RAM, went from a 1700X to a 3900X to a 5900X and a 1080Ti to a 3080 and maybe lose like 2-3% performance on the PCI-E limitation and like some file transfer performance from lack of nvme/pci-e 3 on my 980 pro.
     
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  4. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    Thank you for your reply, this was exactly what I was wondering about.
     

  5. Valken

    Valken Ancient Guru

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    I am at that point I can choose like you said. I'm still waiting on 7x00X3D but I got my 4K OLED so my goals are different now. I WANT a 4K RTRT GPU BUT, AMD 7000 series is about to come out too...

    So I'm just setting a point a of reference now:

    5800X3D with bog 3200 RAM + FAST GPU or
    12600KF/13600KF DDR4-4000 + FAST GPU

    or eat RAMEN until 7x00X3D comes out with + FAST GPU.

    Suprrised I am getting 40 -50 FPS at 4K native with no AA and Medium or HIGH settings with my old system. :D
     
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  6. moab600

    moab600 Ancient Guru

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    5800X3D, 13600 now for gaming or 7950X for MT( much better power efficiency).

    If you have Ryzen 5000 or Intel 12 Gen, you can easily wait longer and just buy a GPU.
     
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  7. nizzen

    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    I'm here ;)
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  8. FatBoyNL

    FatBoyNL Ancient Guru

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    So it should be able to play Crysis.
    But does it have an ECO button?
     
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  9. pegasus1

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    Its what i did, 3800 to 5800X3D
     
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  10. Reddoguk

    Reddoguk Ancient Guru

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    Still not beating the 5800X3D in many games especially beyond 1080p.

    If 7800X3D is the same performance jump like last time then it'll take the gaming lead by about 10% i think.
     
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  11. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    13900k absolutely demolished 7950x in gaming
     
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  12. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    Is this gaming power consumption
    ? Btw this is a useless test,all cpus are the same,clearly GPU limited.Go check computerbase.de, 13900k demolishes 7950x even with 88w power limit
     
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    Pretty much, look at Der8auer newest youtube video :)
     
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    Eh for the 13700k maybe but 13600K is pretty efficient - at 65w it's beating the 7600x.
     
  15. kakiharaFRS

    kakiharaFRS Master Guru

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    I "upgraded" from a 5950x X570 to a 12900k....in truth it was a downgrade on everything but pure gaming fps and a few M.2 slots, because the plateform/chipset is really bad (single pcie slot useable, only stable with 2 dimms)
    I could buy a 13900k my Z690 asus extreme is patched for it but I won't
    I chose to spend almost 2k to go back to amd (keeping only the memory dimms) rather than buy a single CPU there are reasons why
     
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  16. kakiharaFRS

    kakiharaFRS Master Guru

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    not sure my comment will be useful but 99.99% of people still think that when motherboards say "if you connect and m.2 or pcie card your main x16 gen5 slot becomes 8x gen5" manufacturers clearly spam that gen5 everywhere to hide the truth
    you don't get x8 5.0 bandwith aka x16 4.0...you get x8 4.0...x8 whatever gen your card is actually how it works
    so as you graph does on those new 5.0 motherboards you get x8 4.0 aka x16 3.0 bandwith and lose 2% as soon as you are in the scenario where you main gpu slot goes x8
    in worst more scary numbers it means your gpu bandwith goes from 25.6xGb/s to 13Gb/s on Z690 at least
    you can test it yourself with 3dmark pcie bandwith test
     
  17. haste

    haste Ancient Guru

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    Gamers will wait for AMD's 3D cache variants anyway. But people should give Intel credit for the best ST performance and definitely better price/performance ratio overall. Because at this point, AMD's AM5 platform became too expensive.
     

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    I dont thrust these results. Why intel left 5800X3D out from the comparison in the first place ?
     
  19. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    Intel is doing reviews on guru3d now ?
     
  20. user1

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    closer than i expected, not a bad launch tbh, seems the e cores are paying off for now. though i will say it must hurt intel to be selling a large die for such a low price after all those years of selling fairly high margin desktop parts.
    man where do you even get a memory block
     
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    Well truth is you have some money to spent cause the switch from 5950 to intel 12900 was totally unnecessary to say the least. I agree with you though , those benching results etc are not saying the whole story and everybody dealing with pcs should know that.
    I mean ok, ST performance is nice, but for the love of God, what difference does it make if the "x" cpu is faster in 1080 resolution by 5 fps or so? The gap now is so marginal that most of the times is in the "error" range.
     
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    Sorry spoiling it for you, but AMD didn't have any results for 5800x3d when they launched the zen 4 processors. I have seen some intel results referring to it though.
     

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