Review: GeForce RTX 2060 and 2070 SUPER Founders edition

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  1. DW75

    DW75 Maha Guru

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    Why are you defending a company who is so blatantly ripping people off ? I can only assume you have shares in the company.
     
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    Why defend a company that rips people off by selling cards with advertised features that will never work? I hope you don't have shares in the company.
     
  3. DW75

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    I never mentioned AMD, nor did I defend them. You are confusing me with someone else.
     
  4. alanm

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    I think the reason Nvidia did not do this from the start was to wait for improved yields and better binned chips. Remember the A and non-A variants of the chips. In May, Nvidia said they will stop making non-A chips. This means the process has matured enough to get consistently better performance and refreshes became possible. Check out the clocks:

    ----------------- RTX2080 ----- 2070S -------------2070 -------- 2060S -------------- 2060
    --------------- TU-104-400 ---- TU104-410-A1----TU106--------TU106-410-A1----TU106
    Core Clock : 1515MHz ----- 1605MHz-----------1410MHz------1470MHz---------1365MHz
    Boost Clock : 1710MHz ------1770MHz----------1620MHz -----1650MHz---------1680MHz
     
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  5. Fediuld

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    Yet also Nvidia raised the TDP. Atm the 2070S has almost the same TDP with the "oh my GOD look that TDP, burns a lot of power" 5700XT. Seems reviewers didn't pick this up that from 175W of the 2070, the 2070S went to 215W almost 25% power increase. Even Nvidia now raised the PSU requirement from 550W (2070) to 650W for the RTX2070S

    Similarly 2060S now is on 175W TDP and the 2060 was on the 160W range.

    Also the 2070 FE which was using an A chip, was easily working 1905 constantly. The issue was with the non A chips, which flooded the market at low prices, and couldn't do over 1780 at the best of days.
     
  6. Fediuld

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    Yes because AIB 2060S and 2070S are coming at ludicrous prices. 2060S for >$500 and 2070S at >$600.
    Sheer madness asking $500 for a bottom of mid range part. Hell I doubt 2060S can even beat the cheaper 5700XT with the blower cooler.
    And thats something we see at the bottom end with the pricing of the 1650Ti against the RX570 and the 1660 against the RX580 & 590. NV has higher prices for lower perf.
     
  7. Aura89

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    I'm not defending the company, i'm defending the concept.

    And no, i don't have shares in any company. Not a single one.

    The concept that you, consumer, gets to tell a company what they get to release products for and for what price, is nonsense. Simple as that.

    I, as a company, should be able to name any product i want, whatever i want. I, as a company, should be able to make my products into whatever i want them to be. And i, as a company, should be able to price my products at whatever i see fit. If consumers don't like my pricing, then i, as a company, can choose to change my pricing. But all of that is my responsibility as a company, all of that is my choices as a company, not consumers.

    Consumers only choice is to buy or not buy, and that's all it ever should be. To make yourself believe you're the one who is deciding how another company markets, names, and uses their products, is messed up.

    How would you like it if i came over to your place of business and told you, not asked, but told you, that you have to change everything you're doing and how you're doing it and etc. Even though i didn't work there? All because i have previously bought a product for whatever company you work for..... it's messed up dude.

    Trust me, i'm not saying this to defend nvidia, i'd say this same thing to you if it was about intel, and you know that i do not like intel.
     
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  8. topcat77

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    Hey guys, would it be worth it for me to get one of these gpus to replace my 1070ti? My resolution is 1080@144hz.
     
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    You would be looking at something like 15~30% performance uplift depending on game. Therefore I would say not worth it unless you can sell your card at really good price.
     
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  10. Loophole35

    Loophole35 Ancient Guru

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    Please provide a link to these prices or stop spreading false info.
     
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    While I agree with most of your post as it regards to free market practise I still feel there's a problem with the GPU market as a whole, currently we are dealing with an oligarchy with 2 major players AMD and Nvidia and Nvidia as far as High end is concerned has the monopoly and while you say nobody should be able to dictate what price they sell their products which I agree for the most part, when we are dealing with a monopoly of a market things aren't as black and white and if you look at the mining craze and how Nvidia made a big mistake with the increased inventory of 10 series cards which they where unable to to sell due to the drop in mining then you can clearly see their motivation to increase prices for the 20 series to recoup losses for their mistake, the consumer should not be left holding the bill because Nvidia fucked up but with the current price model that's exactly what's happening, it's price gouging in it's purist form.
     
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    The reality is, no matter what the prices, our only option is to not buy, and if that works, great! if it doesn't, that sucks. But that's our only option, we don't have a say in anything else, or avenue, for anything else. Which was the entire point.

    The whole part of if nvidia is price gouging or not, is fairly irrelevant as it doesn't change our one ability: Buy or not buy based off what we feel is valuable or not.
     
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    Yeah totally, best option for the consumer is to not buy and wait for the next product or lower prices or buy the competitors product but voicing your opinion online is also good as it can effect other consumers into not buying as well and in all honesty it's good to vent frustration.
     
  14. NCC1701D

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    Rant incoming...So...instead of just an xx80 Ti, we now get an xx60 Ti, and an xx70 Ti with these "Super" cards. Doubt this will be the new structure (even though we've seen somewhat similar before) and it's probably just to combat the AMD release (I hope). Can't say I ever liked waiting for the Ti release in the first place. If you have it, release it at a fair price and we'll buy it! That's probably the thing I like least about Nvidia, even though I like and buy their cards. They've got some smart folks in marketing though. Hence it's working, so they keep doing it. Gotta wait for the great. Didn't get my money this gen though. Daddy ain't paying over a grand to upgrade his 1080 Ti. This is probably the longest I have kept a card since my 5870 which I had for about 3 years. Those were the days. I had so many ATI cards and even ran the glorious hybrid crossfire with mismatched GPU's during the ATI 4000 days. Makes me ponder the prices. Radeon 4850 was $199. Radeon 4870 was $299.My 5870 was $379. Make no mistake! My 5870 was a top dog, baller, halo card when it released! I understand inflation, but crap's gone skyward! What the F happened after the Nvidia 600 series with the prices? That's when Nvidia really started to take off, but the prices kept rising. I'll end my rant by saying that I love this hobby, but it's getting prohibitively expensive to hang at the top rung. A console with an XIM is starting to look that much more attractive when the next gen Xbox and PS launch. Hang me. Crucify me. But I've seen a lot, and I don't like what I've been seeing lately.
     
  15. ZXRaziel

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    I hope that the gpu market will eventually start producing worthwhile exciting products again , this stagnation and disappointing releases at insulting prices Makes me sad . But i am optimistic just look at the CPU market ! After years of stagnation we are finally seeing competition and great exciting products being released , from both players. If AMD and Nvidia fails to deliver maybe Intel will surprise us ( I hope ) .
     

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    Amazon not enough?
     
  17. Aura89

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    Did you really just link to a leaked pre-order page that isn't even available anymore? lol

    I mean these screen grabs were taken before the cards were even announced.....

    So how about instead of grabbing screen grabs from wccftech that were posted by accident by amazon before the announced prices by nvidia, you think logically and wait for the GPUs to be released.

    Your "examples" that were requested from you are clearly not live, purchasable examples. Unless you have proof of an ACTUALLY PURCHASABLE RTX 2060 super or 2070 super for those prices, and nothing below them (You did state afterall "2060S for >$500 and 2070S at >$600.") then you have nothing to show for your statements. Stop spreading mis-information as requested, since you have no verifiable information, and it's not July 9th.

    Here's the link to your stated $499 Super RTX 2060 card:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TLPWBJ4

    Here's the link to your stated $599 Super RTX 2070 card:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TQZCHYN

    A lot of REALLLLY useful information on those pages.....

    And just to be SUPER(haha, get it?) clear, i'm not saying these GPUs won't be the exact prices leaked. They could be, that's EVGAs decisions. But this idea that EVGAs potential decisions for these two cards, if true on their pricing, means, and i quote from you "2060S for >$500 and 2070S at >$600." for all other companies and all other EVGA versions of these cards......only a mad man would come to that conclusion.
     
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  18. DW75

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    These new "super" cards are not really Ti cards though. The original 2070 card was an outrageously overpriced TU106. The 2070 should have been the 2060 to begin with. The original 2060 was a cut down TU106, and also overpriced. Nvidia decided to upsell people with the entire product stack. They got called out on it, and lost mindshare as a result. The "super" 2070 is a cut down TU104, which is what the original 2070 should have been. Regardless of that, the super variants are still overpriced. This is all my opinion of course.
     
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  19. Loophole35

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    Those were place holder prices. And the links were pulled down.
     
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    Considering the fact that new cards typically are released every year, but in this case its 10 months, your statement is completely misinformed and irrational. In fact, i believe you might have a case of acute nVidia derangement syndrome like so many amd fanboys have.
     

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