Review: GeForce RTX 2060 and 2070 SUPER Founders edition

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  1. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    except it hasn't been a failure to anyone for whom is relevant to the subject of discussion regarding RT.
     
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    So, who was it claiming that AMD is rebranding and using old chips in GPUs with judgement method:
    - No particular GPU checked.
    - Just GCN 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 present in product naming scheme of 3X0

    Then by your current and clearly contradicting logic, AMD could have taken Tahiti (clearly GCN 1.0) and 1st GCN GPU, and disable 2 additional CUs with each generation. And you would call it new. Because there was not GPU with 30 CUs enabled before. Then year later, you would call new GCN 1.0 GPU with 28CUs enable while it would still be same Tahiti chip that in full has 32 CUs. And so on, year by year.
    Hell, by your logic, AMD could have released Tahiti this year as entry level GPU with 31 CUs enabled and you would call it new.

    That's clearly wrong. And I clearly shown you that new product does not necessarily equals to new GPU. What did happen to you that you thrown concept of binning out of window?

    Oh wait, you did not! Bold part shows clearly that you understand concept of having same chip which is differently cut down. So, where is your issue? What does not work for you? Where comes that difference in your mind from? Why can you contradict yourself while believing that you are not contradicting yourself?

    It is apparently not GPU or CPU. It is not fact that cutting does not make new GPU. So, where is that line for you? Is that anything else than AMD vs. nVidia?
    Because same chip, different cut does not make new product by your statement in AMD's camp. But apparently, it makes new on nVidia's side.
     
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    If games support SLI... which is probably close to 0 or 1 with dx12 running.


    Yeah some games do, like SoTR, but I guess that's the only one that does. Might be wrong, but I certainly don't buy another card to try it out for that kind of price :D
     
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    I have eerie feeling that Super's prices won't be all that super as Nvidia has hoped for. Not for a while.
    Case in point: Retailers need to clear non-super stock YESTERDAY, yet 2070 and 2080 prices are holding steady.
     

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    So, exactly 3 years later, I can get about a ~40% increase in performance for the same price. I guess I'm underwhelmed by this release. It is better priced than the original 20 series release but that wasn't a high bar to beat.

    I still think the naming is getting convoluted. A xx60 series card, for countless generations, was the sweet spot for price/performance. Now it's a mid-high level card in pricing. I feel like all of these should move up a tier in naming but nvidia seems set on this new path.

    I'll be waiting at least 1 more generation, probably 2. Though, when Cyberpunk murders my frame rate next year, I'll probably make a poor, hasty decision and buy a new GPU.
     
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    hehe I feel you on this one mate :D
     
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    HA!

    There is no evidence to back this statement, and plenty of evidence that its the total opposite.
     
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    So this means 2080Ti SUPER is just around the corner. I knew it. So glad I waited out and didn't buy OG 2080Ti.
     
  9. fantaskarsef

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    And what tells you that?
     
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    2060 SUPER, 2070 SUPER, 2080 SUPER..... continue this sequence.
     

  11. 0blivious

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    Hilbert says on the 1st page that there isn't a Ti version coming.

    HH: "No, there will not be a 2080 Ti S, just the 2060S, 2070S and 2080S."
     
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    Everyone was excited for the technology, sure. Not so much for its first implementation on RTX cards, unless they were dumb. Most RTX sales have occurred after this BF V benchmark:

    [​IMG]

    Again, if anyone was excited for RT performance on the first gen RTX cards, then they were pretty dumb. Not to mention the lack of titles that would have it (before Ampere arrives). Any rational excitement may not even be for Ampere's RT potential, but for what follows it. High res gaming is what RTX buyers were more interested in at this stage, something they knew was not going to happen with "RT on" at any point within the lifespan of their cards.
     
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    He's just saying what is officially announced by Nvidia right now. Means nothing at all, Nvidia can announce a new GPU whenever they want.
     
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    By your logic they'd also announce a 2090. :rolleyes:
    But hey, never say never. But I still doubt it.
     
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    Wrong! Nvidia is going to release the 2080Ti Ultra because the "Super" designation is reserved for the "cheap/weak" cards...
     

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    Ultramarine with 2080Ti Ultra as gun incoming.
     
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    Lol ... Trolls coming out of the forest!
     
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    It's not the consumers place to determine what chip is used where and for what price.

    If they don't like something, don't buy it, but to pretend to say what should be where and for what price when you aren't that company that has to make those decisions is nonsense.

    I wish that nvidia would stop labeling their chips so this kind of nonsense would stop happening.

    If this kind of nonsense applies to nvidia, then the same reverse nonsense can apply to AMD, where the RX 590 is a mid-range chip, yet holds the "90" naming. Why is a, use to be high end, naming, a mid-range chip? Seems like AMD is really screwing over their customers by telling people their customers that their mid-range chips are high end.

    But i'm not going to say that, because it's not my place, nor is it anyones place for nvidia. What chips they make, what they decide to name them as, what version of the chip they use(TU104 for example), is up to both companies to decide, not the consumers. It's up to the consumers to buy, or not buy, and that is it.
     
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  19. pharma

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    Why defend a company that rips people off by selling cards with advertised features that will never work? I hope you don't have shares in the company.
     
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    I think the reason Nvidia did not do this from the start was to wait for improved yields and better binned chips. Remember the A and non-A variants of the chips. In May, Nvidia said they will stop making non-A chips. This means the process has matured enough to get consistently better performance and refreshes became possible. Check out the clocks:

    ----------------- RTX2080 ----- 2070S -------------2070 -------- 2060S -------------- 2060
    --------------- TU-104-400 ---- TU104-410-A1----TU106--------TU106-410-A1----TU106
    Core Clock : 1515MHz ----- 1605MHz-----------1410MHz------1470MHz---------1365MHz
    Boost Clock : 1710MHz ------1770MHz----------1620MHz -----1650MHz---------1680MHz
     
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    Yet also Nvidia raised the TDP. Atm the 2070S has almost the same TDP with the "oh my GOD look that TDP, burns a lot of power" 5700XT. Seems reviewers didn't pick this up that from 175W of the 2070, the 2070S went to 215W almost 25% power increase. Even Nvidia now raised the PSU requirement from 550W (2070) to 650W for the RTX2070S

    Similarly 2060S now is on 175W TDP and the 2060 was on the 160W range.

    Also the 2070 FE which was using an A chip, was easily working 1905 constantly. The issue was with the non A chips, which flooded the market at low prices, and couldn't do over 1780 at the best of days.
     
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    Yes because AIB 2060S and 2070S are coming at ludicrous prices. 2060S for >$500 and 2070S at >$600.
    Sheer madness asking $500 for a bottom of mid range part. Hell I doubt 2060S can even beat the cheaper 5700XT with the blower cooler.
    And thats something we see at the bottom end with the pricing of the 1650Ti against the RX570 and the 1660 against the RX580 & 590. NV has higher prices for lower perf.
     
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    I'm not defending the company, i'm defending the concept.

    And no, i don't have shares in any company. Not a single one.

    The concept that you, consumer, gets to tell a company what they get to release products for and for what price, is nonsense. Simple as that.

    I, as a company, should be able to name any product i want, whatever i want. I, as a company, should be able to make my products into whatever i want them to be. And i, as a company, should be able to price my products at whatever i see fit. If consumers don't like my pricing, then i, as a company, can choose to change my pricing. But all of that is my responsibility as a company, all of that is my choices as a company, not consumers.

    Consumers only choice is to buy or not buy, and that's all it ever should be. To make yourself believe you're the one who is deciding how another company markets, names, and uses their products, is messed up.

    How would you like it if i came over to your place of business and told you, not asked, but told you, that you have to change everything you're doing and how you're doing it and etc. Even though i didn't work there? All because i have previously bought a product for whatever company you work for..... it's messed up dude.

    Trust me, i'm not saying this to defend nvidia, i'd say this same thing to you if it was about intel, and you know that i do not like intel.
     
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