Review: Core i5 10600K and Core i9 10900K processors

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  1. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    This is basically his method. This kind of "observation" is by itself disruptive to performance. And bets on assumption that things that make it vastly inaccurate are not present as much.
    (It is assumption on his side as many other things.)

    And while I do not think he is cherry picking his results, He is limiting comparison to his specific use and uses far from optimal method of measurement.
    It is like having some blackbox and measuring it with add & xor instructions only while ignoring all others it can do.
    I am sure that Zen2 is not better in every type of data processing than Comet Lake. And that different data structures, sizes, instruction combinations will result in different benefits to each architecture.

    I even dare to say: Right tool for job.
    And that's where even university professor can easily fail. What he found is that Zen2 based Rome server chip is likely not best suited for his workload.
    (I used "likely", because if he used real world testing methods on his workload and measured time to finish versus something meaningful like power draw, Zen 2 may still win and being faster while eating less energy per work done. It is hard to say because he did his best to obscure situation... preventing constructive critics.)
     
  2. nizzen

    nizzen Maha Guru

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    Pleace give me the link to this test. I want to try this on my 10900k on Apex xii with 4600c16 memory :D

    Edit: Found it
    REMOVED: Please stop posting YT Video reviews in a thread about the Guru3D review. Thanks.

    I will give it a try on 7980xe @4600 with 4000c16 too. Both 2080ti.
    3600mhz is SO year 2014 LOL

    I'm a bit cpu/memory limited in BF V in 4k dx11 with 2x2080ti sli :D Average fps in 4k ultra settings is about 170fps :p

    Same fps as max overclocked 3900x @ 1080p with 2080ti :p
     
  3. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    So, where´s the 10700K review???
     
  4. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    I expect the get some samples 10400K/10700K from Intel next or the following week.
     
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    metagamer Ancient Guru

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    10400k?
     
  6. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Force of habit, 10400F ...
     
  7. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    Many thanks for the reply. I´ll await eagerly for the review.
     
  8. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    I can't help that you have an aversion to facts....
     
  9. bobblunderton

    bobblunderton Master Guru

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    Noctua and Zalman (if anyone still uses them) will both send out free AM4 kits when you punch your serial number in on their website. Other brands may also.
    If going intel is the same price, go intel if you're likely to never upgrade your CPU a few years from now, as AM4 and intel 'remaining' socket life will generally not be far removed from one another with the small amount of time left on the AM4 socket. It's a buy-what-you-want from either you can't really lose (short of the 10400, DO skip that) at this point.
    If going AMD, order the bracket for your cooler (usually free) at the same time you order the parts, and it should come within 6~10 working days (I live in the middle of no-where and my Zalman - yes Zalman bracket, came in 6 calender days later! I had found a new 9900 Max on sale NEW for 24.99 shipped a while back, never did put it in yet though as stock cooler on 3700x was sufficient and not obnoxiously loud). This will max thing easier and likely not hold up your build.
    Get a B450 board - MSI's Tomahawk MAX or other MAX line of B450 boards are a good show and fairly respected industry-wide as a good budget-conscious solution. If you want to go X570, even the cheapest x570 boards and B550 boards are validated with a 3950x on them, so there really is no wrong board to pick. Even the one with the worst VRM package out of all x570 boards - the MSI MPG x570 model - will do just fine under stock operation with good airflow in the case in the VRM area. If you have a Micro Center near you, check their sales, the AMD models might offer a discount within the few weeks after introduction of the competing intel models. This is obviously also true on the flip side when AMD comes out and the intel products might see price reductions and other bundle savings.
    Long story short, you really can't lose either way. If you like being able to update your processor later with say a 12 or 16 core model and only buy the 8 core today (or whenever you buy parts to build a new system originally), this can be handy to go AMD. If you're just going to build the system and never change out the parts sans a drive or video card down the road, then it might make more sense to get the intel system - especially if you already have a good aftermarket intel cooler. The intel is faster in gaming but the AMD option won't quite put out all the heat.
    I know I for one got sick of my hot pig of a 4790k last summer (it couldn't overclock to save it's hide, worst k-chip ever!) and couldn't take being roasted out of the room anymore (and this is a rather LARGE room - but gets lots of afternoon sun, too). Very happy with my 3700x / x570 purchase here.
    If your machine is already a number of years old, almost anything is an upgrade at this point, only that single-threaded performance increases aren't much to write home about unless you're going from a non-k locked intel chip or an AMD FX solution to something like a 10700K / 3700x or better.

    As per an earlier discussion about TDP and how intel and AMD don't seem to follow the same formula:
    I just buy a processor / build the system out of parts that won't bake me out of the room during long content creation sessions, and won't be hurting me when the electric bill comes. Most people want performance and don't care about heat beyond the thing not melting, but I'm not game to being baked alive anymore.
     
  10. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

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    my 6700k was already year old before I bought it, and I bought cause I need single thread power more so then mutlithreading that the 5820k had but much but worse ST, now single thread on both side are well beyond that of 6700k, now that my reason for need that single thread proformance is gona cause I no longer play the game, I plan my next build to be 8core with 16 thread or something higher. but I hoping to wait to do all this till after ps5/ nextxbox is out.

    as for power and heat there moot to me some like to jack ac down to 60 in summer so tend to have my wind open, which more of power eater then the pc
     

  11. nizzen

    nizzen Maha Guru

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    Direct die kits arrived today :D
    Direct in slot mounted :)

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