Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 20, 2020.
Ok, you're just nitpicking. Intel platform has PCIe 4.0. Happy now?
Yes, Intel is coming with pci-e 4.0 when we actual need it. Read "3080ti" GPU and Adata Sage m.2 pci-e 4.0/ Intel Optane pci-e 4.0
Now there is only midrange m.2 pci-e 4.0 ssd's with 4 years old 4k random read @ QD=1 performance. Samsung sm951 nvme had ~62MB/s 4k random read @ QD=1. Same or better than most "4.0" ssd's now.
Rocket Lake "z490 refresh" is supporting pci-e 4.0. Are you mad or something today?
Chill, it's Friday in EU
Yes, it's coming with Rocket Lake. My initial reply was to someone else, go read it before you pipe up. The guy was saying he would expect Intel (as a platform) to have motherboards with all the latest features. Clearly hinting at PCIe 4.0, if you read his post. All I did was say that those motherboards exist. CPU support isn't there yet though, obviously.
To be honest, I don't expect the 3080ti to fully saturate PCIe 4.0 still. 16x PCIe 3.0 will be fine for those and probably for the 4xxx series too.
So what you are saying is @PrMinisterGR is right and Intel currently doesn't support PCI-E 4.0.
It's cool that it's eventually getting it but his point is that if he was buying this processor and motherboard right now, he wouldn't have access to it. Someone purchasing this CPU, in combination of current motherboard intending to keep it for 3-4 years or more - will not necessarily be in a good position for next generation games that make use of high performance storage. They'd have to update their CPU, spending more money, on some future date.
Sooo... Hilbert... are you planning on correcting that fairly substantial mistake on the last page of the review where you state motherboards will be starting around $250? They actually start at $150 usd and I just picked up an Asus z490 Prime-A, which is the best of the prime boards Asus offers, for $210.
I just paid $387 usd for i7-10700k. The 10600k should be around $280 or so.
Funny that AMD is requiring a motherboard upgrade for zen 3 for everyone with FM2 except for the very latest boards. I on the other hand don't care since i dont upgrade every year and my current board is a z87.
And if this is disappointing, what does that make AMD which is still behind in gaming? Oh yeah all you guys play is Cinebench, render movies, and edit massive amounts of raw video literally on a 24/7 basis right?
I just got a 10700k for $30 more than a 3700x.
And whats up with the insults? Do you honestly think thats going to change minds? It's people like you who are a prime example of why i can't see myself buying AMD again. And its one of the reasons why moved to Intel years ago. you act like a bunch of console peasants and threadcrap every news article that isn't praising AMD. Truly sad.
That temps dont look good at all,
i use the be quiet! Dark Rock 4 pro cooler with my 8700k and temps are around 65c when under load so for intel's new cpu's to be hitting into 90c+ is a huge nope from me
I will not be forced into other cooling options, i prefer air cooling and will be sticking to that for many years to come so hopefully intel pulls that finger out (at this moment though its a full fist)
and get onto 10 or 7nm and start fixing that high temps/power usage
So you overclock and play prime 95 avx 2 , 24/7?
Well… if you really want to squeeze out every single FPS no matter what… these look like good cpus.
I on my hand like to have a well balanced system, silent and with resonable wattage and thermals.
This is where AMD excels as of now… Ryzen is incredibly well balanced, it has very good multitasking performance, good gaming performance, good thermals and wattage, good price. My 3700x system is almost inaudible even on load.
New INTELs while excelling at gaming have more than one trade offs.
Yes i overclocked my cpu, all cores at 4.7ghz, and i game for very many hours in a day every day and use emulators, i know temps wont be as high as using stress tests but it wont be far off
These new intel cpu's will be an easy pass till they have something a lot better than what i already have now, those new intel cpu's id prob have to turn all the cpu's fans up and same with my case to give them similar temps to what i have
Not to be rude but >8-core cpus arent generally targeting the gaming cpu market despite what intel's marketing department would have us believe, people do often have real work, that will make use of the extra threads (unlike gaming)
Can 10400 beat 3600 prize/performance in gaming?
but it wont be far off?
Name the games, and I will try
Looks like you are making things up to make a point. 10900k is cooler than 9900k, and there is no problem cooling 9900k
Thanks for the review Hilbert. I appreciate that you tested with an air cooler too. It would be interesting to see how the 10900k would run set at a minimum voltage and a lower clock speed like 4500-4700 MHz. I have no idea where the voltage to clock speed plot would go exponential.
I also appreciate the IPC testing. That's been a nice addition. If you get bored, another nice test might be performance/watts used.
you do you man, i dont care what you think and back at you
No prob cooling the 9900k, ha yeah right, iv seen benchmarks and temps on air cooling from many sites, there not bad but also not great
If i dont want to buy this new intel cpu i wont, dont know why you feel the need to try and butt in with what i want or dont want to buy lol
Why bother to be here in this thread? Only trolling?
are you 5 years old, "Only trolling?", seriously, grow up
I like intel and if i want to upgrade i tend to look here for proper info from hilbert "if you Must know"
if i like something i comment, if i dont like something i'll comment
so how about you just move on and bother someone else
Why would you base your CPU purchase off of the fact that you don't like other people's opinions and behaviors in tech forums? That doesn't make much sense. You should buy what works best for you. What a strange comment...