Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 20, 2020.
Higher power draw usually means you need higher grade, pricier cooling solutions to keep temps down.
You got that right. Even Tech YouTubers say that most users interpreting TDP wrong. I totally agree if you are building a high end system and worried about power cost being an issue then you think about it some more. Yeah I don't get it either why users are worrying about high power consumption of a desktop CPU. It makes no sense if you are building a super high end build.
There are a few good reasons, If you live in a hot place, it is preferable to not add unnecessary heat to the room, as it increases cooling costs, increases noise, or makes a room uncomfortable, Can you work around extra heat? absolutely, but it is always better to avoid creating the heat in the first place if possible, the heat output added by this class of cpu(pseudo-HEDT) is not trivial.
Some people run system 24/7 and have services running in VM or simply production. Gamers are not the only consumers of HEDT.
I may have missed it - 10700k review incoming?
Very true. There are some users who make servers out of consumer parts since it's cheaper than purchasing server grade parts.
I have seen this video and found it very interesting. However if your are purchasing RAM that is that expensive it is better to get a better CPU. Also I didn't know that games could get memory bottlenecked in the manner that it did besides not having enough.
You really don't have to buy expensive RAM. You just need to buy the right RAM and overclock it. Here's a pretty good video on how to pick your sticks
To me the most interesting thing to see from all of this is twofold:
1) AMD's Zen core seems to have higher IPC than the Intel equivalent.
2) Intel's Core is showing its age, and it's not aging very well at this point. We see it using more than 20W per core, while the Zen cores seem to use only 8.75W per core. Which is less than half the power consumption for mostly the same gaming performance, and better performance in pretty much everything else. This difference is larger than the difference between a generic 7nm process that TSMC is using, and Intel's in-house, super tweaked 14nm process. It is obviously a... core design issue with Core.
Unless Intel has a different architecture in the works, not just another patch for Sandy/Skylake, then they really have a huge issue in their hands. It is also disappointing to see them fall back on their traditional strengths, like the platform. No PCIe 4.0 is a huge disappointment, especially since the new paradigm for games seems to revolve around streaming assets from permanent storage (see DirectStorage).
If anything, the Intel of old might have had CPU parity (or worse, like now), but at least you would get a motherboard supporting all the latest and greatest. With the exception of Thunderbolt 3, that is done now. And Thunderbolt 3 is basically open sourced into USB4, so that advantage will go out as well with most likely the next AMD generation.
Intel has motherboards with PCIe 4.0
In a lab, I'm certain.
There are some rumors in the wild:
AMD will launch Soon in June 2020 Ryzen 3850X and 3750X.
Will see how "new" Intel cpus will handle this.
Is the higher power consumption due to the core´s arch or due to the 14nm process and specially the super high clocks??? It would be interesting to donwclock and donwvolt one of those CPUs to see how much they could improve in terms of power usage and thermals.
And of course they are showing their age, they are already dated but Intel has no choice but to "milk" them a little more before they can actually release something new.
Still, we can´t deny that the fact Intel still manages to be competitive with such old CPU designs and an old process, that´s some achievement on itself. Too bad the silly prices.
I dont think there will be. Price reduction to current cpus and hyping up the zen3 is probably whats gonna happen.
Very True and thanks for the video. I'll watch it later.
Like the gain matters at those framerates @1080 and 1440p, compare it to monitor refresh rates.
Besides, include 4k and it is down to nothing.
If you buy a 10600k to game at 1080p, the difference is definitely there.
Probably well, but doesn't matter, what matters is how it handles gaming in addition to what else people got running on the side.
Some motherboard manufacturers included PCIE 4.0 support which still needs a CPU from Intel that plays along with it, something we probably first see with Rocket Lake at the end of 2020.
Pretty much most of the mid to high end Z490 mobos will have support.
Look at the high fps numbers from both, it's not like it matters at that point even when using a 144Hz monitor.
It really comes down to upgrade pricing for most people.
Seeing how it can be overclocked the 10600K probably appeals more to 1080p gamers that like to do that, but does require some beefy memory that plays along which get's us back to the upgrade pricing.
If it is worth it is up to those gamers wallet tbh.