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Review: Core 9th Series 9900K, 9700K and 9600K Processors

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. S V S

    S V S Member

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    This is a *gaming* oriented hardware website, the synthetic non-gaming benchmarks are more "pointless" by far than the single benchmark Hilbert provides that actually shows unconstrained CPU performance when gaming. Note, I am not actually arguing to remove those benchmarks... I like that Hilbert runs them. Just that they actually are pointless to judging how a CPU will perform at gaming, which is the use case of the majority of the members here.

    Again, it is pretty clear who is arguing to remove 720P *CPU* benchmarks and why (AMD fanboys, because it makes AMD processors look bad).
     
  2. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    let it go @S V S. Been there, tried to show the meaning of 720p before, and yet people just want to see REAL gaming numbers, relying on highest end gpu to deliver frames. And echo chambering how CPUs are all the same. "Jee, guess my Pentium 4 is good enough for 4K ULTRA" :D

    gamers nexus at least is sane enough to set 1080p settings to medium (which is simply the same GPU load as 720 on highest settings), so it deserve a credit for that.

    This is the direction benchmarking CPU should go. Not going for 720p, but higher resolution with lower video settings.
    This way community is not triggered by 720p, yet stupid enough to miss "normal" settings.
     
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  3. airbud7

    airbud7 Ancient Guru

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    An you want intel to look better when everyone already knows there faster at gaming...
    even hard core AMD Fanboys here will tell you that...

    [​IMG]

    I see nothing wrong with 1080p being the new low benchmark.

    per core performance will be amd's weak point until? ....Well I don't know but if they ever pass intel you can bet your azz it will be front page news everywhere!

    PS: your Viewpoint is a valid one though and it does make AMD look slow ...very slow.
     
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  4. HeavyHemi

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    And the opposing point is you want to hide AMD is *slower in gaming? That seems dishonest.
     
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    They are slower...I said that.

    You Drinking again Hemi?....:p
     
  6. Valken

    Valken Maha Guru

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    I only wanted to comment or vote to keep the 720p benchmarks. For me it is an important guage of unhindered CPU performance when the GPU is nearly unlimited - EG future GPUs or multi-GPU or DX12 mGPU support.

    Those 720p results are a very VALID measure of raw potential gaming performance based on the above scenarios. It does help users to determine where to spend their money as a long term investment... look at those 2600K guys to see a valid consumer base... and I would hate to see this critical data set removed.

    For those who wants to compare CPU at "useable" resolution, its still there. We can have both as a win win for all enthusiasts and consumers.
     
  7. chinobino

    chinobino Maha Guru

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    This^

    More information is power to the consumer.
     
  8. user1

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    720p clearly isn't the lowest you can go, if you want it to be as cpu bound as possible why not 1024x768, then why not 800x600 , but even then we can go lower, why not 640x480, (you see it ends up being silly since 1080p is already cpu bound.)

    obviously we need hilbert to add quake 3 arena at 640x480, to truly see the maximum possible framerate, ITs THE ONLY TRUE GAMING CPU TEST!

    (*this post is meant to convey _sarcasm_)
     
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  9. Irenicus

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    No direct comparison with the 9600k to the 8600k...left out of the charts. Not surprising as it looks to perform about the same (going by my own 8600k performance). Still, seems strange you'd avoid including the 8600k in all the charts alongside the 9600k
     
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    Hi Hilbert,
    Nice in depth reviews as always.
    Is it possible for you to test the core i9 9900k with an z370 board? Possibly with thermal imaging of the vrm section down the road.
    I am sure owners of Z370 boards (myself also) would like to know how they perform on them if they want to upgrade their cpu when or if prices come down.
     

  11. moo100times

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    A variety of subjective tests to try and create an overall picture, and adding/removing benchmarks based on what you think will help best depict that is key to any decent review of hardware, given that there is no standardised best practice. "Biased and misleading" is extremely accusatory to the hardworking guy, and particularly inclusion or exclusion of subjective data does not actually equal "will post biased and misleading benchmarking numbers". Changing the test setup may change the picture slightly, but little to see given the same differences are visible at 1080p. I agree that 720p still has its place to see what unbound hardware can do, probably for another generation or two, but perhaps games with heavier CPU use, like a large Civ 6 map (someone suggested this before) or a new game that supports 16 threads to see what we can expect when maxing out the cpu might also give some insight given how hardware is moving to cores rather than IPC improvements (using HH's own graphs).
     
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    you went full retard.

    Below 720p or 900p or whatever depending on the game, there will be no difference in FPS, cause CPU is already capped.
    You saw difference between 1080p and 720p cause GPU did affect performance.

    Enjoy your 1080p GPU cap below (poor GTX1080 couldn't handle it):
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_2700x_review,23.html
     
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    Dude check the database! ....8600k is a bad azz MOFO!
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i5_8600k_processor_review,19.html
    my Pentium 4 is not there either ...J/K....:p

    PS: 8600k is identical to 9600k...why would he waste his time doing that?

    Only the 8-core/16 thread processors is/are new.
    Much like Sandy Bridge vs. Ivy Bridge with more cores....the only thing that can beat the 8700k is a 9900k.
    [​IMG]

    AMD CPUs are considered a budget cpu...8 slow cores for $199...hard to beat,,,,Phenom days any one?
     
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    was not supposed to be serious , someone is eating onions

    i will add _sarcasm_ to all future sarcastic posts
     
  15. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    It's ok, cut your losses while you can :D
     

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    btw i just did a quick fps test with quake 3, fps decreases from 640x480 - 1280x960 linearly, despite being "cpu bottlenecked" i admit this is likely due to some of the effects being done on the cpu, but the point is it does scale.

    would probably make for a good test for cpu scaling lmao.


    (I think cpu bottlenecks at various resolutions, needs further investigation. it may not be so cut and dry )
     
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    Ubisoft and Activision will never abandon a quad core processor ....you people are crazy!


    A Core i3-8350K CPU will kick the sh&t out of any amd processor @ Gaming!....regardless of resolution or graphics card!

    why would they ever code a game that a Fast quad-core processor would not work for?
    good grief y'all

    and yes an intel 6 core will beat the crap out of your amd counterpart

    get over it AMD fanboys! ....You got budget slow stuff!
     
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  18. airbud7

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    if you don't have money for the best stop complaining!

    slow is slow and fast is fast regardless of budget.
     
  19. airbud7

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    a brand new 2700X will never ever catch a 9900k and they are both 8/16!

    Why is that? ...where are the AMD Fanboys now?
     
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    I think I need to bow out now! ....:p

    my friend list just went down!....:D
     
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