Review: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 (+ABB/ ABBA testing)

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Oct 4, 2019.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    40,574
    Likes Received:
    8,959
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
    Deleted member 213629 and Embra like this.
  2. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    40,574
    Likes Received:
    8,959
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
    Ehm, just no. But if you'd actually read the review you'd have learned as to why LCS is applied.
     
  3. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    40,574
    Likes Received:
    8,959
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
    Again no, MSI MEG had the Wraith for testing, same for that recent ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Formula. Out of all the X570 reviews there was one tested with LCS, the C8H and now this one as the socket does not allow for the Wraith.
     
  4. Really cool board. I'd love to play with one of these. I don't know about you guys, but i use a lot of AS rock motherboards these days, and have really good results.
     

  5. Havock2

    Havock2 New Member

    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    Gigabyte 2070 Super
    I recently built a machine around the 3700X and this board.

    I was able to fit a Noctua NH-U9S CPU cooler, with a second fan attached. I had to be careful with the orientation of the cooler, as there is absolutely no clearance left with the shroud around the USB ports and such. Yes, I had to use the LGA 115x mounting brackets. Noctua has a great motherboard compatibility wizard (https://noctua.at/en/mainboard/ASRock_X570_Phantom_Gaming-ITX_TB3)

    Later, I should be able to buy an NVMe drive with a heatsink, as I put everything in a Fractal Design Define Mini C case and this line of cases has an open motherboard tray and extra clearance beyond that.

    Basically what I'm saying is be careful with component selection and you should be fine.

    One a related note, the most difficult part of the build was plugging in the ATX 12V for the CPU. The location can be hard to reach, depending on your case. It is in the back corner of the case. Also, I may have a hard time upgrading my RAM, as they're right below the CPU cooler heatpipes.
     
  6. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

    Messages:
    15,115
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    GPU:
    GTX 1080 Ti
    While it's no shock to anyone, performance difference between the 2 bios versions is pretty much within reason of each other. Basically people making a big deal about performance woes on the platform, blowing it out of proportion as usual.
     
  7. Havock2

    Havock2 New Member

    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    Gigabyte 2070 Super
    My main experience is that it it kicks up the fan speed much easier to give more cooling headroom.
     
  8. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,741
    Likes Received:
    2,190
    GPU:
    HIS R9 290
    Although I totally agree people are more upset about the situation than they should be, the 3900X is what really struggled to keep up with clock speeds. To my recollection, a well-cooled 3700X didn't lose more than 100MHz, which isn't really noteworthy. Also worth pointing out that although most CPUs now will reach their advertised boost speeds, they won't sustain it for very long. So, aside from the fact that ~100MHz isn't enough to make a big difference, getting that extra speed for a brief moment isn't going to be all that measurable either.
     
  9. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

    Messages:
    15,115
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    GPU:
    GTX 1080 Ti
    Right, maybe benchmarks it would show a difference but real world performance most likely nothing anyone is going to notice.
     
  10. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,741
    Likes Received:
    2,190
    GPU:
    HIS R9 290
    Definitely. Besides, the main reason you get a CPU like this is the number of cores/threads. If you really care that much about single-thread clock speed (which is what these CPUs struggle with the most) then go for a Kaby Lake i5.
     
    rl66 and vbetts like this.

  11. NCC1701D

    NCC1701D Master Guru

    Messages:
    241
    Likes Received:
    142
    GPU:
    RTX 2080 Ti
    I haven't really had anything but good experiences with ASRock and have used them exclusively for my last couple of builds. They've been pretty quick with getting the bios updates out too which is nice. They're my go to for MOBO's these days.
     
    rl66 likes this.
  12. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,817
    Likes Received:
    334
    GPU:
    Sapphire RX 580X SE
    AsRock is a brand were i never ever have problem on all the PC i have made or updated.
    Of course the bios isn't shiny bling bling, the package is strict minimum, but the price is good.
    Also this company does "real" server board that are as reliable as Asus or Tyan...

    Other point about ITX, there is a lot of ITX specialist that use intel 115X cooler layout because there is a lot of passive cooling chassis (inboard vehicule, IPXX, industrial... and some gaming too) that use this standard only, despite being SoC, AM2/3 or as this one AM4.
    So it's more easy to use even if this one is clearly gaming oriented.
     
  13. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,817
    Likes Received:
    334
    GPU:
    Sapphire RX 580X SE
    I agree, and i even don't know if single single thread info is usefull right now, of course it is an estimation of the CPU power per generation, but right now the global C/T info is more usefull as most program use multiple C/T in real world even the most basic one.
     
  14. I have used 2 of the x570m - pro4's with 3600x on them and they ran great (especially for m-atx rigs) .....And have you seen the ASRock x570 creator board? So shiny...expensive....but shiny
     
  15. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,741
    Likes Received:
    2,190
    GPU:
    HIS R9 290
    Well, most programs nowadays are still single-threaded and will remain that way. But, multitasking has become more relevant than ever. For example with web browsers, they're still single-threaded applications, but each tab runs on its own thread. I think Firefox has a separate thread for rendering too.
    Most highly parallel workloads end up being better off being computed on a GPU.
     

  16. I love the sheer amount of options available on this board... been eyeballing it for a bit now. Really appreciate this review! Might switch back to my ITX case/build. :D

    EDIT: Can't appreciate the built-in Thunderbolt anymore. Really considering this...
     
  17. HybOj

    HybOj Master Guru

    Messages:
    208
    Likes Received:
    138
    GPU:
    ASUS GTX 970 DCmini
    While I agree that the 1% gain is nothing you will notice in daily usage, and also that the 1% difference was blown way out of proportions by some loud minority, its deffo good to have this 1% gain, instead of being informed about another security hole discovered and your CPU being crippled in a next security update... So, yea.
     
  18. FrostNixon

    FrostNixon Master Guru

    Messages:
    252
    Likes Received:
    52
    GPU:
    RX 5700 XT
    While this sounds great, I am wondering why bother with such a powerful ITX setup, what will you use it for?
     
  19. Havock2

    Havock2 New Member

    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    Gigabyte 2070 Super
    Every 10 years, I like to build a small machine and see what kind of power and efficiency I can get. The last time, I was only able to go down to a Mini ATX.

    I have 3 screens connected and this can just about push them all at native res and reasonable FPS.

    The bottleneck is either single thread CPU performance or the GPU, as most games and such are still mainly single threaded. My UPS reports that the machine idles at 60W. Granted the only moving parts are the fans, as I have a NAS, that I hand built, for most of the storage. The NAS can saturate gigabit in both directions.
     

Share This Page