Review: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X processor - 16 cores and 32 threads for the masses

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Nov 14, 2019.

  1. kakiharaFRS

    kakiharaFRS Master Guru

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    hey everyone I'm back from Borderlands 3 testing..and the least you can say is that the game doesn't care one bit about cpu clockspeed
    I have a 1080Ti, don't mind the actual fps number I have a ton of crap running in the background and some unsolved HW problems also it's my personal game settings

    9900k - cpu clock 5.1Ghz - north bridge clock 4.8Ghz
    - FramesPerSecondAvg: 84.15
    - FrameTimeMsAvg: 11.88
    9900k - cpu clock 4.2Ghz - north bridge clock 3.9Ghz
    - FramesPerSecondAvg: 83.75
    - FrameTimeMsAvg: 11.94

    good example of a game that doesn't care about cpu clock or is limited by the GPU more than the cpu -0.30fps with -900Mhz core clock !
    after that don't say I'm an Intel fanboy I'm not doing the 9900k any favor here lol
     
  2. Denial

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    I mean some definitely hit the numbers but some don't. My 3900x doesn't. At what point does the marketing become misleading? Let's say 1/40 samples AMD ships hits 5ghz. Would everyone be fine with AMD saying "Up to 5 ghz turbo" ? What if it was 1/100? What if it was 1/1000?

    It sounds ridiculous but similar stuff already happened with the phone SoCs - where manufacturers would create custom profiles to for the SoC to run unthrottled for benchmarks but in actual applications they'd never hit the marketed frequency.
     
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  3. mackintosh

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    I really miss the "good old days" when you just bought the fastest CPU. I'm getting too old for this.
     
  4. Borys

    Borys Member Guru

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    BEAST!
    This cpu is to close the year with gold key! If this year was and still great to AMD next year will be amazing! Think that next year the 4K monitors will be more and more cheap and, who buy this chip with sure never will play at 1080p... so, in 2020 AMD will dominate the entire market, low, middle, high end and professional markets. Now, only fanatics will buy any cpu from Intel... when the 10980x hits the market at USD 1K this 3950x will be at USD 600.
    AMD now is a uncontrollabe monster. Thank you very much AMD to bring to us great CPUs with great prices. I am now with a 3600 4.2 all cores and I am very pleased with the entire PC perfomance, and paid only USD 195 for this.
    To finish, to Intel just rest one thing.... change Everthing very Fast or will see a collapse marketshare.
     

  5. Caesar

    Caesar Maha Guru

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    Good analysis!
    +1

    Storywise, a bit like rtx 2000 cards revealed @$1200 where only a handful number of games used that technology....and whooops....3000 series coming soon.....:confused:
     
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  6. kakiharaFRS

    kakiharaFRS Master Guru

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    Didn't I write somewhere once on Guru3d forums that the "up to" marketing was annoying me because it reminded me of the "VW scandal" where they ran different parameters when a "benchmarking" cycle was detected ?
    Mercedes also made an oopsie with EuroNCAP safety tests where the belt pre-tensioning while 5/5 stars at the test speed would crush your internal organs and pretty much kill you if the impact was at 80+kph.

    With the "good old" Intel behavior at least you had a fixed number you could rely on, now it's complicated
     
  7. barbacot

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    Yes, beast and so on but I see that everybody is overlooking the same thing that was said here over and over about 9900k - this "beast" runs very hot.
    In fact to quote:
    So, at the price of 750 bucks add a decent LCS kit and you will pay near 1000 bucks!
    There is no denying - it is a workhorse for content creation and as soon as I will find it in stock I will buy it for my workstation combined with a kraken x72.
     
  8. schmidtbag

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    I would only accuse it of being misleading (or just outright false) advertising if the CPU can't achieve the stated clock speeds regardless of how good all the other conditions are. So if your system has ample power, sufficient cooling, a sufficient VRM configuration, and high-speed RAM, yet you still can't achieve the peak speed, I think you have a perfectly valid reason to complain. Unfortunately (and probably deliberately), AMD doesn't tell us what the ideal conditions are, which to me is a bigger problem.

    That being said, I would be fine with a claim of "up to 5GHz" if all CPUs are actually capable of reaching that, provided specified ideal conditions.
    Well, considering a lot of hardware reviewers were also getting issues reaching max boost clocks, I don't think this is a similar situation. As far as I'm concerned, AMD just screwed up and specified over-ambitious specs.
     
  9. barbacot

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    If you search reviews on game specific sites you will see this cpu tested on much more games than here and overall the I9900 KS (5 GHZ turbo all cores, all the time) is the winner (overall)...
    I think that this cpu was not created for gaming even if it is more than capable at this chapter but more for content creation and dealing with more difficult workloads that scale with core and thread counts, with clockspeed being less of a factor.
     
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    If you want lots of cores at a cheaper price then you can get a 3900X.

    As for this one amazed it's not got more memory problems - dual channel with that many cores - it's gotta be a bottleneck sometimes. If I were looking for something with that many cores I'd probably just save a bit longer and get something with quad channel memory.
     

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    is that too hot??? i was eyeing this cpu despite recently i've bought the 3700X.
     
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    Thanks Hilbert, appreciate the hard work.
    It's eye-opening to see just how far things have come - and how far AMD have come in recent years...and we've a hell of a lot to thank AMD for. Finally, with proper competition, the consumer gets to benefit from their hard-earned purchase. Let's hope competition-driven innovation continues for some years.
     
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  13. barbacot

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    Depends...if you are doing the occasional web surfing, watching youtube videos, using office and playing games your CPU is more than enough but if you are doing some serious Maya modelling, video creating and editing, autocad and so on then by all means upgrade.
     
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    and msrp is 1000$ less than 10 core 6950X from 2016 and 250$ less than 1950X.
    thank nine divines for AMD
     
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    nor does a £1600 2080ti vga card. But if I was gonna waste money, it would be on this cpu :p

    Well done AMD :);):D:p
     

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    I have a high end DSLR, D850, and the raw files are around 100MB, so i edit a LOT of them.

    3700X is a HUGE upgrade over mine 4790K, and the 3950X just seems like the best cpu for that.

    Rarely doing video editing, but i do multitasking a lot.
     
  17. barbacot

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    I think that you are O.K. with the 3700X which IMHO might be the poster child for what this generation of processors has to offer.
    3700X is a brilliant piece of hardware.
     
  18. D3M1G0D

    D3M1G0D Ancient Guru

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    The only question is availability. Will the shortage problems that plagued the 3900X also plague the 3950X?
     
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    Very interesting CPU, for the price/performance not really worth getting over 3900X.

    Wondering when is HH planning to post review of Threadripper?
     
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    I'm sure there will be shortage problems but I doubt it'll be as bad. The 3950X is a substantial price increase and I'm sure many of its potential customers already bought the 3900X. Also, I think some of the clock issues surrounding the 3900X may have reduced some of the potential buyers.
     

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