Review: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X

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  1. Netherwind

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    I've watched reviews all day and my conclusion is the same as yours. The 9700K is, simply by higher boost clocks out of the box (~4700MHz), the best CPU for gaming. If the 3800X would have the same boost clocks it would be better than the 9700K just as well as the 3900X would beat the 9900K at the same clock speeds. But since the 3700X and 3900X don't manage anything above 4200MHz with PBO, that's where it falls short. And like you mention - if one only wants to game, then clock speeds matter.

    I'm personally torn between the 9700K and the 3800X but I'm quite willing to give the 3800X a chance just by hoping that it will surpass both 3700X and 3900X in gaming applications and hopefully better boost clocks. OCing these guys proved not to help at all and just makes the CPU hot as hell.

    Regarding X570 boards that little fan (that nobody is talking about) is the tipping point. One Guru did scan the web for videos here and there and there was one where you could constantly hear the fan, super annoying. From what I've gathered the 3000-series OC just as well on a X470 mobo than a X570 mobo.
     
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  2. Ricepudding

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    Because thats a lot of speculation, till the new consoles are at our doorsteps, and we see what developers do with the games we won't know if there is an impact or not. Now we can speculate that the odds are we will see a boost on having muti-core compared to single-core in some bigger launches, however ps4/xboxone had 8 cores in them and so we already have started to see this change. But like i said its all up to the developers and if they make it equal for both, better for AMD or better for intel is yet to be seen.

    Though i've been saying for years now, muti-core is where we are heading, i don't think we can clock higher than say 5ghz without needing high voltages and insane cooling. so it wouldn't shock me if the route AMD is going with the many cores will be better in the future, we just need more developers to jump on the bandwagon of 8+ cores during their workloads/gaming. Though we are seeing it somewhat already i know Assassins creed was a big talking point for how many cores it used and the big jump from 4 to 6/8 core performance on it
     
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    Yes to everybody that says Intel is still faster when it comes to gaming, but the fact is, this only applies to the minority who have to have higher frame rates as their monitors have higher refresh rates. We are talking loads of dosh here for the serious gamer. Most of here are on 1080p at 60Mhz with a mid range card. Maybe its just my little circle, out of the 10 - 15 people i know who have a computer and play games either use their TV or a 1080p monitor.

    I myself could get the more expensive set up ( if i saved a bit more :p ) But for me, who may spend 3 - 4 hrs a week gaming as there is more to life then sitting in a chair and staring at a 40'' screen, having the best setup is a financial waste.
     
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  4. Ryu5uzaku

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    I can't see issue with running 3900x or 3700x with 144hz display in anything competitive it shouldn't be an issue at all. Even 240hz seems like it's clear cut that you can do it on amd processor now in the titles where it matters.

    Let's say for example overwatch I have 1800x and Vega 64 I can run that game at 200fps no problem what so ever. I can run counter strike over 300 fps. Those are the ones that come to my mind that "need" high fps to begin with.
     
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  5. thesebastian

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    The little FAN is something I dislike. The smart choice to me, is to buy B450 for a budget build, or X470 for a performance build and save a lot of money. (Unless it's going to be used for production with PCI4 SSD).
    (However, I'm not sure about 3950X...maybe that one is a beast that requires these X570 boards).

    On another thought, I had a "silent" PC, all 140mm Noctuas with L.N.A. (running at 800 RPM most of the time) + 2 tiny 10mm noctuas ( NF-A4x10 FLX ) running at full speed (17,9 dB(A) each one) in the VRM of an old Gigabyte GTX970 ITX, which was modded to use a 140mm radiator.
    These fans were pushing a lot of air and they were noiseless with the case closed.

    The only thing that was a noticeable were the 140mm Noctuas in full load from 900-1000 RPM to 1200 RPM.

    So maybe these X570 fan can be upgraded with 8-12€ better ones.
     
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    The results are looking pretty good for a new release, on a platform with a clear MHz deficit. Future BIOS updates are certain to bring more stability, and eek out a bit more performance.

    Speaking of which, many of you may have already seen the thread running over on Reddit, where a Gigabyte Rep' seems to be confirming an issue which stops the CPUs boosting properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacwf9/psa_ryzen_3000_gaming_performance_is_being_gimped/

    My own systems are based around TR 2950X with an RTX 2080, and a 5930K with SLI 1070s on ROG Extreme boards @ native 3440 x 1440 resolutions, and both do everything that's thrown at them, whether that's AAA games or video encoding. In fact, I barely bother to overclock or tweak anymore - where at one time, it was mandatory with accelerator boards, overdrive chips or BIOS overclocking.

    It's actually reassuring to see so many people happy with their existing platform from a games-playing perspective, which goes to show that FPS isn't the be-all and end-all to everyone. The 9900K platform is clearly great for gaming, but I'm categorically not missing out on anything while running the 2950X - which is likely bested by the new 3900X CPU - and despite costing twice as much.

    Good luck, and enjoy those new Ryzens.
     
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    Great review as always and I do like the hype and enthusiasm of most posts. It is a great processor for 3d rendering or video encoding.
    Gaming wise, a $250 9600k is a better choice now. Don't care about the far future since most gaming folks update every 2-3 years (or less) .

    I'm not a fan of any of the manufacturers, in fact I think they both try to squeeze as much money as they can from us, Intel leading the trend, and if you expected AMD to sell cheapo tadaaa, surprise surprise.
     
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    Any benchmarks with AMD ryzen 3000 and rdna Navi?

    I want to see the new combo, don't care about Intel and Nvidia combo, they are not common user's option/tier.
     
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    Well, it's not gonna do it in BF V, it doesn't do it according to this review, so it's not the best option for a high refresh rate display, that's pretty simple. Especially as overclocked intel CPUs gonna make the gap even wider than what is already seen in this review - given that we know AMD doesn't overclock positively, so really you have to compare that to overclocked Intel. Anyone who's bothered with high refresh rate display should be overclocking their stuff.
     
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    Firstly thank you HH for an excellent review of both chips.
    I am very excited to see for this gen, definitely gonna bite. I am impressed with 3700x at its price point particularly, but also 3900x looks excellent. I really do not understand this weird back and forth on this thread.
    I appreciate that overclocking is a fun hobby for some, but realistically overclocking potential is because of manufacturing variance between chips and thus some inconsistency in performance. If the hardware can automatically bring out the best of its ability with no extra input from the user, surely that is a good thing for most pc users and the industry in general? I do not see how saying that the 9900k in some instances can be pushed further, and more so with delidding, as a saleable feature that really attracts anyone except heavy enthusiasts who think tweaking is the be all and end all of pc use.
    Plus, if it works at the top of what it should out of the box, it remains under warranty, another massive benefit to anyone actually caring about the pc in a usable sense long term.
    I am strongly in favour of both the increased security these chips offer, as well as potential for more easy chip upgrades from amd through bios updates and the like.
    AMD is back in the game, and I am all the happier for it, both as an upgrade path and happy for the competition it brings now and for the future as a long term pc user and builder in terms of both performance and cost improvements that we can enjoy as consumers.

    Can't wait for reviews of other chips in 3xxx series. If supply of new chips is good AMD I feel AMD may have a winner on their hands

    Last thought is seeing general performance and power consumption - I would love something similar to find its way to laptops to both have ok power and thermal envelop without breaking the bank. I have had good experience with ryzen APUs so interested to watch this space.
     
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  11. TheDeeGee

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    Great review!

    Tempted to get a 3700X instead of 3800X. But i'm gonna hold out untill a 3800X review.

    Planning to use new CPU for atleast 5-6 years, so i don't want to regret not getting something a little more expensive.
     
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    Intel´s luck is that even if everyone wants to move to Ryzen, AMD can´t make them in sufficient quantity for everyone so companies are "being" forced to buy Intel workstation/server CPUs even if they prefer AMD...

    About the gaming issue, i´m really curious to see how the 3600 CPUs perform because they could be a better choice for gamers. When is the review of those?
     
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    AM4 compatibility effect will be in place for some years. You can always sell older CPU and get updated.
    Taking into account price difference between 3700X and 3800X which can be taken as savings. Upgrade later may be considered cheaper.
     
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    That's not really how i roll. I might even have to sell the 3700X second hand at a loss then. I'm not in a hurry anyways, i'll just wait it out.

    Might have to wait untill 2020 anyways due to B550. I did want to get X470, but i read in other reviews that X470 is giving issues left and right.

    Why not X570? I don't want a small fan on my motherboard, unless it only kicks in when you use PCI-E SSDs (which i will not use).
     
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    Well, I meant it this way. Buying 3800X now is extra $70. Which you can take as additional loss down the road as you would sell 3700X and buy even stronger CPU than 3800X. That's if AMD releases Zen2+.
     
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    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/5
     
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    People did complain about reviewers being "forced" to make tests around 4th of July... US centrism 101.
    AMD trolled everyone as result by giving gimped BIOS. And everyone will be re-testing.
     
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    Game Nexus had one I believe, AMD sent the 3700's and 3900's but those sourcing their own hardware picked up some of the other models although I think their CPU wasn't the best binned so results could potentially be better although with the info on the Windows scheduler and possible issues, AGESA and voltage and max clocks and possible limits and what the chipset driver or bios or even later updates or builds of Windows 10 could change it'll be interesting to observe how these perform in a few months.

    SMT to off seem to help a bit as well depending on how the game or software (Or benchmark software.) is handling the scheduling which I will assume is fairly underwhelming overall going by some of the known issues in some of the current popular titles though it's a good start for Zen2 and the Ryzen 3000's and on the GPU side the start of RDNA and the 5700 and the 5700XT are doing better than expected as well. :)

    Though with similar early launch issues and possible improvements to come with later software updates or changes like the early water cooling results and possible a driver limit to clock speeds or what seems to be something like that.


    Liking what I'm reading so far but yeah will be interesting to see how user reports and maybe the reviews of any later CPU models or re-reviews of these stack up with fixes in bios and other software and all that though we'll see if it changes anything notably or if it mostly just helps smooth out performance without increasing overclock potential or performance itself unless there's something majorly broken currently which it doesn't seem like even if there are some issues that could probably be improved a bit. :)



    EDIT: Hmm two more replies while I was writing this, active topic. :D

    EDIT: And here's a new page too, very active topic ha ha.
     
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    Be interesting to see a review of the 8 and 12 core CPUs but with SMT disabled.
     
  20. Loophole35

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    Very nice CPU's! The 3600X (I know Hilbert has not reviewed this one yet but looking at specs and theses results you can draw a very accurate conclusion) is a massive value in all around performance and will be my go to suggested CPU form sub-$1000 builds. The 3900x is a HEDT CPU moonlighting on a mainstream motherboard. Definitely a budget content creators dream CPU.

    Bravo AMD keep it up. Some more frequency and Intel is dead.

    But for now I will stick with my 8700k @5.0Ghz. Still if this CPU or Motherboard bites the dust any time soon that 3700x or 3900x look tasty.

    Steve at GN did it and in some games it help quite a bit others like AC it hurt.
     
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