Review: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X

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  1. Nicked_Wicked

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    Any upcoming 3800X review? The 3700X and 3900X look amazing, but I feel like the 3800X might take the cake in terms of gaming FPS in comparison to the 3900X with the slightly higher base clock.

    Although admittedly it is somewhat uninteresting when you can get 4 extra cores and almost double the “gamecache” for $100 extra.
     
  2. platypus

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    Call it a tie in IPC.

    Intel just lost the workstation and server market.
    They kept gaming thanks to a well developed process that gives them high clocks. Outside of the 9900k they have nothing.

    The hype is very real but maybe not so much for the demographic of this forum.
    Performance per watt, this is amazing compared to the competition.

    Intel, your turn.
     
  3. Mesab67

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    Hmm...here we go again, the FPS and OC obsessed.
    Unfortunately, you make a glaring assumption, that most folk use our PC's exclusively for gaming.
    Can you tell us, in a little depth, about how well Zen2 handles it's auto boost feature? Can I also ask you, how does Zen2 compare when Hilbert talks about productivity testing? - you'll have seen those results too! It's ok, I don't expect you to reply, if at all, to any meaningful depth on that.
     
  4. RooiKreef

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    I’m so glad to see AMD back fighting at the top again. So as a conclusion you can now basically pick what ever suits your pocket and be done with it. My next system will definitely be a Ryzen build.
     

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    Woweeeeeeeeeeee! Cheers Hilbert, just turned my computer on, monday morning and see 2 lots of reviews that i have been waiting for , the Amd, cpu &gpu . Just read the cpu, now onto the gpu :)

    Amd have come up trumps on the cpu dept as far as i'm concerned. Nothing to do with Donald, no political bashing here :D
     
  6. Robbo9999

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    Yeah, it's ok, for high refresh rate gaming, overclocked Intel CPUs are obviously gonna be the best choice. For certain productivity/creation tasks then these latest AMD CPUs kick ass for value and also performance, and of course they're perfect for normal sub 100Hz gaming. There's not really any more depth needed. I'm personally interested in high refresh rate gaming, because that's the way I use my PC the most, so that's why I talked only about that aspect in my last post.
     
  7. Netherwind

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    I've watched reviews all day and my conclusion is the same as yours. The 9700K is, simply by higher boost clocks out of the box (~4700MHz), the best CPU for gaming. If the 3800X would have the same boost clocks it would be better than the 9700K just as well as the 3900X would beat the 9900K at the same clock speeds. But since the 3700X and 3900X don't manage anything above 4200MHz with PBO, that's where it falls short. And like you mention - if one only wants to game, then clock speeds matter.

    I'm personally torn between the 9700K and the 3800X but I'm quite willing to give the 3800X a chance just by hoping that it will surpass both 3700X and 3900X in gaming applications and hopefully better boost clocks. OCing these guys proved not to help at all and just makes the CPU hot as hell.

    Regarding X570 boards that little fan (that nobody is talking about) is the tipping point. One Guru did scan the web for videos here and there and there was one where you could constantly hear the fan, super annoying. From what I've gathered the 3000-series OC just as well on a X470 mobo than a X570 mobo.
     
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  8. Ricepudding

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    Because thats a lot of speculation, till the new consoles are at our doorsteps, and we see what developers do with the games we won't know if there is an impact or not. Now we can speculate that the odds are we will see a boost on having muti-core compared to single-core in some bigger launches, however ps4/xboxone had 8 cores in them and so we already have started to see this change. But like i said its all up to the developers and if they make it equal for both, better for AMD or better for intel is yet to be seen.

    Though i've been saying for years now, muti-core is where we are heading, i don't think we can clock higher than say 5ghz without needing high voltages and insane cooling. so it wouldn't shock me if the route AMD is going with the many cores will be better in the future, we just need more developers to jump on the bandwagon of 8+ cores during their workloads/gaming. Though we are seeing it somewhat already i know Assassins creed was a big talking point for how many cores it used and the big jump from 4 to 6/8 core performance on it
     
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    Yes to everybody that says Intel is still faster when it comes to gaming, but the fact is, this only applies to the minority who have to have higher frame rates as their monitors have higher refresh rates. We are talking loads of dosh here for the serious gamer. Most of here are on 1080p at 60Mhz with a mid range card. Maybe its just my little circle, out of the 10 - 15 people i know who have a computer and play games either use their TV or a 1080p monitor.

    I myself could get the more expensive set up ( if i saved a bit more :p ) But for me, who may spend 3 - 4 hrs a week gaming as there is more to life then sitting in a chair and staring at a 40'' screen, having the best setup is a financial waste.
     
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    I can't see issue with running 3900x or 3700x with 144hz display in anything competitive it shouldn't be an issue at all. Even 240hz seems like it's clear cut that you can do it on amd processor now in the titles where it matters.

    Let's say for example overwatch I have 1800x and Vega 64 I can run that game at 200fps no problem what so ever. I can run counter strike over 300 fps. Those are the ones that come to my mind that "need" high fps to begin with.
     
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    The little FAN is something I dislike. The smart choice to me, is to buy B450 for a budget build, or X470 for a performance build and save a lot of money. (Unless it's going to be used for production with PCI4 SSD).
    (However, I'm not sure about 3950X...maybe that one is a beast that requires these X570 boards).

    On another thought, I had a "silent" PC, all 140mm Noctuas with L.N.A. (running at 800 RPM most of the time) + 2 tiny 10mm noctuas ( NF-A4x10 FLX ) running at full speed (17,9 dB(A) each one) in the VRM of an old Gigabyte GTX970 ITX, which was modded to use a 140mm radiator.
    These fans were pushing a lot of air and they were noiseless with the case closed.

    The only thing that was a noticeable were the 140mm Noctuas in full load from 900-1000 RPM to 1200 RPM.

    So maybe these X570 fan can be upgraded with 8-12€ better ones.
     
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  12. beedoo

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    The results are looking pretty good for a new release, on a platform with a clear MHz deficit. Future BIOS updates are certain to bring more stability, and eek out a bit more performance.

    Speaking of which, many of you may have already seen the thread running over on Reddit, where a Gigabyte Rep' seems to be confirming an issue which stops the CPUs boosting properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacwf9/psa_ryzen_3000_gaming_performance_is_being_gimped/

    My own systems are based around TR 2950X with an RTX 2080, and a 5930K with SLI 1070s on ROG Extreme boards @ native 3440 x 1440 resolutions, and both do everything that's thrown at them, whether that's AAA games or video encoding. In fact, I barely bother to overclock or tweak anymore - where at one time, it was mandatory with accelerator boards, overdrive chips or BIOS overclocking.

    It's actually reassuring to see so many people happy with their existing platform from a games-playing perspective, which goes to show that FPS isn't the be-all and end-all to everyone. The 9900K platform is clearly great for gaming, but I'm categorically not missing out on anything while running the 2950X - which is likely bested by the new 3900X CPU - and despite costing twice as much.

    Good luck, and enjoy those new Ryzens.
     
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  13. DW75

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    I wonder if Hilbert is going to be doing an updated review after the BIOS updates for boards come out that contain the new AGESA 1.0.0.3AB. I would be very interested in seeing this.
     
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    Great review as always and I do like the hype and enthusiasm of most posts. It is a great processor for 3d rendering or video encoding.
    Gaming wise, a $250 9600k is a better choice now. Don't care about the far future since most gaming folks update every 2-3 years (or less) .

    I'm not a fan of any of the manufacturers, in fact I think they both try to squeeze as much money as they can from us, Intel leading the trend, and if you expected AMD to sell cheapo tadaaa, surprise surprise.
     
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    Any benchmarks with AMD ryzen 3000 and rdna Navi?

    I want to see the new combo, don't care about Intel and Nvidia combo, they are not common user's option/tier.
     

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    Well, it's not gonna do it in BF V, it doesn't do it according to this review, so it's not the best option for a high refresh rate display, that's pretty simple. Especially as overclocked intel CPUs gonna make the gap even wider than what is already seen in this review - given that we know AMD doesn't overclock positively, so really you have to compare that to overclocked Intel. Anyone who's bothered with high refresh rate display should be overclocking their stuff.
     
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    Firstly thank you HH for an excellent review of both chips.
    I am very excited to see for this gen, definitely gonna bite. I am impressed with 3700x at its price point particularly, but also 3900x looks excellent. I really do not understand this weird back and forth on this thread.
    I appreciate that overclocking is a fun hobby for some, but realistically overclocking potential is because of manufacturing variance between chips and thus some inconsistency in performance. If the hardware can automatically bring out the best of its ability with no extra input from the user, surely that is a good thing for most pc users and the industry in general? I do not see how saying that the 9900k in some instances can be pushed further, and more so with delidding, as a saleable feature that really attracts anyone except heavy enthusiasts who think tweaking is the be all and end all of pc use.
    Plus, if it works at the top of what it should out of the box, it remains under warranty, another massive benefit to anyone actually caring about the pc in a usable sense long term.
    I am strongly in favour of both the increased security these chips offer, as well as potential for more easy chip upgrades from amd through bios updates and the like.
    AMD is back in the game, and I am all the happier for it, both as an upgrade path and happy for the competition it brings now and for the future as a long term pc user and builder in terms of both performance and cost improvements that we can enjoy as consumers.

    Can't wait for reviews of other chips in 3xxx series. If supply of new chips is good AMD I feel AMD may have a winner on their hands

    Last thought is seeing general performance and power consumption - I would love something similar to find its way to laptops to both have ok power and thermal envelop without breaking the bank. I have had good experience with ryzen APUs so interested to watch this space.
     
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  18. TheDeeGee

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    Great review!

    Tempted to get a 3700X instead of 3800X. But i'm gonna hold out untill a 3800X review.

    Planning to use new CPU for atleast 5-6 years, so i don't want to regret not getting something a little more expensive.
     
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    Intel´s luck is that even if everyone wants to move to Ryzen, AMD can´t make them in sufficient quantity for everyone so companies are "being" forced to buy Intel workstation/server CPUs even if they prefer AMD...

    About the gaming issue, i´m really curious to see how the 3600 CPUs perform because they could be a better choice for gamers. When is the review of those?
     
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    AM4 compatibility effect will be in place for some years. You can always sell older CPU and get updated.
    Taking into account price difference between 3700X and 3800X which can be taken as savings. Upgrade later may be considered cheaper.
     
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