Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 19, 2019.
That's been rumoured for years. Still hasn't happened yet.
Not that I really keep up with Apple rumors but I haven't heard of anything like that up until about a year ago. The rumors I heard are a transition to ARM, since Apple is already heavily invested in their own ARM-based CPUs for iOS. If Apple just squeezes in some of the more advanced instructions, I'm sure they could reliably drop x86.
I guess the thing to really consider here is if Apple is going to ditch Intel, they're more likely to use their own in-house ARM architecture than go with AMD.
If only AMD would lower X570 prices 30% down to reasonable level, the whole platform would be very attractive over Intel.
X570 is enthusiast chipset, with features that 99% people wont need.
X470, B450 work fine with it. So yeah, we talk sub $100 motherboards here.
Still not attractive?
Those are previous generation motherboards.
Only thing you gain on X570 over X470 is PCIe 4.0 (and a chipset fan).
1.4v@4200Mhz Smmh That's a lot of heat!
Previous generation doesn't mean provide less performance or worse in everyday usage. Read reviews for yourself and compare.
And that's a problem because......?
If you need PCI-Express 4.0, then buy x570. If you say it's too expensive, i'd like to know what you're comparing it to that also has PCI-Express 4.0 that somehow makes it expensive. Or rather, if it is too expensive, then you probably don't ACTUALLY need PCI-express 4.0.
It's amazing because if AMD had made a x590 with PCI-Express 4.0, and an x570 and b450 were effectively just "rebrands" of the x470 and b450, you wouldn't have this issue, because they'd no longer be "previous-generations" since their named changed. But then you'd likely complain about the fact they rebranded a chipset....
So then what is it that a "new" generation motherboard actually would have on it, other then PCI-Express 4.0, that you'd need to much?
So what's your issue then? Do you want something that's new with no benefit over the previous generation just so you can call it new? Are you that tied to intel?
Apple can as well be reason why there are so few 3900X around.
It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers. And if thinking that way, then we can go with Z370 or H370 etc. Obviously previous generations are cheaper. Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
A bit more modern set of controllers and longer support. At least 802.11ax Intel AX200 controller, wider usage of Realtek 1220 sound, USB SS10 Type E header. Sure, I can buy Intel AX200 on Ali for $17, but still.
To paraphrase what you're saying "I want something distinctly better but it needs to have a similar price point to the worse outdated stuff". Do you not see the issue in that? You can't have it all - you either need to spend the money to get something better or get something that fits your budget. These products are priced the way they are because people will buy them. This is why Nvidia gets away with $1000+ gaming GPUs: doesn't matter if the price is crap if people still buy it anyway. It's a sucky reality but you can't realistically ask it to change.
Also from what I heard, X570 boards are more expensive to manufacture.
Like you said, you can buy the wifi chipset yourself. It's best to buy it separately anyway, since then you can upgrade it or swap it out. Being able to pick and choose your parts or swap them out is half the reason for building your own PC.
Unless an audio chipset is known to have issues, what difference does it make if you're sticking with integrated audio? On-board audio chipsets have hardly improved in 10 years. There's only a handful of minimal improvements here and there, and if you can tell the difference (and care), you're better off getting a discrete sound card or external DAC. Or just use SPDIF or HDMI, at which point the onboard audio is completely irrelevant.
How often do you need a type E header? Why not just buy an adapter if it's that important to you? This reminds me of the complaint about computers not supporting type C, even though it's not hard or expensive to convert type A to type C.
No, X570 is enthusiast class - the B-series chipsets are mainstream. AMD's site makes this very clear - look it up:
HEDT is an entirely separate category.
So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
Not much. X370 is supposedly worse at overclocking RAM (not sure how true that is), is slightly more power consuming at idle, and I think has worse XFR support. There's also StoreMI, but IMO that's useless (you can accomplish the same thing through software). If you already have an X370 board, I would keep it. But, I don't think you should buy a new X370 board with a Zen2 CPU.
Thanks, think the XFR was the only attraction of upgrading to x470 when x470 was first released.... my memory is like a sieve
ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors. (currently).
Please for the love of all things sacred stop spreading miss leading info on this forum.