Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Aug 14, 2017.
Jeez, even for the used market... $200 is cheap!!
Great review HH enjoyed reading
Maybe performance might get another 5%-10% with drivers updates in the future.
Vega 64 is exactly as everyone expected for months now. No one would buy it for the same price as a 1080 for gaming because of too high power consumption and heat/noise levels. The announced price is lower but not low enough and I'm very afraid that it will go even higher due to mining. It will probably sell well, but only as a great mining card.
Overclockers had 1000 in stock, and all were sold within half an hr, the miners just snapped them up.
I was thinking the same thing. A 980Ti is still a great product.
I'm sure it'd be a little more than that, when you consider how much the Furies have improved over time. Take the Linux tests for example - sometimes it performs below a 1070, other times it outperforms the 1080Ti. There is a lot of potential in these GPUs.
The one thing many people seem to ignore about Vega is it's focus on OpenCL. There's a lot of compute performance in these, as shown by Anandtech's article. But, Guru3D is more focused on gamers.
Well, I guess it's good AMD made a profit out of these, despite them not appealing to their target market.
Thanks for a great review Hilbert. Question, as overclocking seems to be so pain, would it be possible to get some undervolting benchmarks included?
Apparently it wasn't all miners who snapped them up
When i was reading Overclockers forums they other day ,Gibbo said they were trying to find away to stop the miners from bulk buying
Their 747 was ready to load and take off.
AMD rely on miners to sustain their GPU gaming sells but at the same time his CEO says their main target is gamers not miners: :3eyes:
This is obviously BS because the high GPU demand from miners rise the sell price A LOT and make sells to gamers lower. (higher price for lower performing GPU compared to Nvidia alternative.
This can hurt their gaming GPU sells in the medium and long term IF mining crazyness end or GPU become useless at some point for mining.
The lower % of gamers using AMD GPUs doesn't help game devs interest to optimize games for AMD GPUs.Game devs can't care less about AMD GPU global sells: they look at Steam hardware survey to know what GPU brand their target customers use.
Such a failure, same number of transistors of high end Pascal for this. This is what happens when you only aspire to match the competition segments.
Overclockers.co.uk is not an NGO, it's a business looking for (legitimate) profit.
I.E. If miners high demand rise the AMD GPUs price by 100 pounds they are not going to say:"No!We don't want miners money!We prefer to sell GPUs cheaper to gamers!"
To me it's more of an indicator of how bad the market has developed overall. Think of Intels Core-X brigades hardly going anywhere before AMD dropped Ryzen on our feet.
I mean, it's great for Fury (X) owners. The investment perhaps paid itself in the end. Yet, 2 years later, not a lot of improvement has been brought to table by the company that had Fury (X) two years ago with a 50% die shrink on top of it.
Really surprised how much more power 64 v 56 uses.
V 64 uses nearly 160watts more than a 1080 where they end up being close in performance averaged across games.
AiB 1080s like gigabyte extreme will walk the V 64 while being considerably cooler/using less power/noise etc.
Twice the power draw, but is barley on pair with GTX 1080, why am I not surprised.
Soo about the miners, think they will snatch these up? I thought the board partners were releasing cards geared towards miners? Not specific to the Vega cards, but in general. I would hate to see all the cards gone again due to this.
I totally understand your perspective and considered it myself. But keep in mind the drivers for the Fury (X) have improved a lot since its release date. Even though Pascal was probably the best architecture Nvidia ever released (compared to previous releases) the Fury X often keeps up modestly well.
Keep in mind that even though performance may not have dramatically improved the past couple years, efficiency (at least on Nvidia's side) has.
AMD has a knack for releasing products with underwhelming drivers, but 3 months later and their products end up being a lot more competitive. They got a lot better about this lately, but Vega does have room for driver improvement.
They're a business but that doesn't mean their only goal is momentary profit or that miner purchases are risk free. Getting consistent and/or predictable sales is more important than flash in the pan stuff. Miners are also far more likely to hammer them with RMAs if the bubble bursts in the window (I've seen posts openly admitting to it).
Great review as always. Thank you Hilbert for the in depth review. I feel if this card would have been released a year ago or perhaps 10 months ago it would have been a great success for gamers , but i'm afraid it is very , very late to the party :/ , i did wait and wait and waited some more for this video card because that was my initial plan to go the Vega 64 route. I got tired of waiting and i went through a GTX1070 and GTX1080Ti while waiting for Big Vega 64.
Hopefully it will get better with new drivers and software updates. The performance was as expected as the Vega Frontier Edition gave us a clue how the RX Vega 64 would perform in games and that was my decisive moment for me ( I'm a 4K 60Hz gamer ) , after seen Frontier numbers i knew the Vega 64 would be matched against the GTX1080 , that plus the mining craze lol , i sold my GTX1070 for exactly the same price i bought it 6 months ago , thanks to miners.
On that same note and talking about miners , All the RX Vega's 56 and 64 were sold out within minutes at newegg.com due to the mining craze = https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601301447 , at least AMD will make a good profit from the miners , not so much from the gamers.
On the innovations side of things on this video card , i'm really liking that idea of using PC memory as cache , i believe that would greatly help at 4K + resolutions. All in all it's what it is ...
I ordered a Vega 64 (none in stock, est.7/15 days) and an EK Waterblock (avail. 18th Aug) because I wanted to stay AMD on the GPU side, and I've been itching to change my 290.
It probably consumes as much as my overclocked 290 anyway
week or two before I get both parts together.
Great review Hilbert.
It'd be good to have a quick look back when proper drivers and overclocking are fully available.