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Review: AMD Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. airbud7

    airbud7 Ancient Guru

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    Yes Sir, as a midrange buyer/gamer the "non xt" 5700 looks damn great....

    ain't it funny how 1 week of reviews "new stuff" can change everything...
     
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  2. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    I wonder where on Earth you live with the place apparently being even more expensive than Finland, at least with hardware. That's something of a sad achievement, for sure. I can see Sapphire 5700 for 389€ and 5700 XT for 449€. Not that these would personally interest me as I don't care for reference models, at least with the blower cooler. It would have been nicer if custom models had started from that 389€, but I reckon they will automatically be over 400€ with the reference being that much.
     
  3. pharma

    pharma Maha Guru

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    I think most reviewers had the same thoughts as HH regarding price. Most were expecting a disruptive price with regard to Navi (similar to Ryzen), which we did not get. From the Digital Foundry conclusion:
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-amd-radeon-rx-5700-rx-5700-xt-review-head-to-head-with-nvidia-super
     
  4. waltc3

    waltc3 Master Guru

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    I really want to buy a 50th Anniversary 5700XT--but can't find one @ Amazon US; or Newegg! Bought the 3600X & the Aorus Master from Newegg yesterday--couldn't find but a few low-end x570 mboards on Amazon US, and that was after a diligent search. Well, I'll tell you, I am absolutely unimpressed with nVidia's "refined 16nm process" *cough* that puts out huge, hugely expensive discrete 3d cards costing up to $1300....! Excuse me, I'll pass. nVidia has a rough road ahead bringing those giant chips down to 7nm and below. I could care less who the frame-rate king of the hill is, because I play games--not benchmarks. If the gameply is fluid and stutter-free, I'm happier than a pig in mud. Especially when I can save several hundred dollars. People have such faith in heavily optimized-for benchmarks the entire time they are being manipulated by them, imo. But to each his own.

    Edit: Found the 5700 in stock on Amazon--listing for the 5700XT says it "usually ships in 3-4 weeks"...lol....;) May wind up waiting on an AIB partner board in August.

    Edit2: OK, this morning Newegg does have the 5700XT reference cards in stock.

    One other thing I wanted to add on the bang-for-buck scale after actually looking at the G3d review on these cards is that it is interesting to note (at least for me) that although the ~$1300 RTX-2080ti is never even 2x as fast as the 5700's (both of them)--sometimes not even close to 2x as fast, depending on the benchmark or game--the 2080ti is always ~3.2x the price of the 5700XT, and always ~3.7X the price of the 5700. Plus these AMD cards support PCIex4--whatever that will mean, if anything (apparently HH tested them @ Intel's best atm, PCIe3.x), and probably they both support Crossfire & D3d12 multi-GPU, which the 2060 Super does not (No SLI for you, bub.). I thought ti was nice to see nVidia bringing the 2060 Super up to Rx-480/580/590 standards with a 256-bit bus and 8GBs of vram--but nVidia screwed the pooch again on the SLI for this card. I'd say the odds are pretty much 100% that this was deliberate on the part of nVidia...;)

    Edit3: Thanks to Exige245...I am now collating whether to go now into bankruptcy or wait a while! Thanks for the tip! I'd forgotten the AMD store completely!

    Edit #4: OK--my driver dilemma with the 19.7.1's has resolved itself with a happy ending because none other than Lisa Su parachuted into my front yard this afternoon, and told me, while neatly stowing away her 'chute, "I saw your post on G3d--so I'm here!" It turns out that all I needed to do was clean install--which I should have done as this is a fundamentally new driver with a greater size and feature support than the earlier Adrenalins. She chatted with the wife for about ten minutes and enjoyed some hot tea and crumpets, then she bade me farewell, said she had a few more houses to visit in the area. I watched with my mouth wide open I know as she threw some kind of device into the air which began unreeling cable at a fantastic rate and shooting straight up--when a low-flying plane with a V catch plate in the front swept in low, and Lisa was ripped from the ground and on her way! Even though she was "in a hurry" *cough* she still waved farewell as she rapidly retreated away into the distance, and I really did think that was a nice touch...;) All's well that ends well, eh?

    Wanted to chime in and say that as alluded to above I fixed my driver problem--instead of trying to install the 19.7.1's on top of the 19.6.3's as I did--I should have just done a clean install, as with baited breath, I watched the clean install complete yesterday! Even down to the funky colors on the desktop before rebooting--all fixed now and running fine.

    I really, really want to see a review on the 50th Anniversary edition--if positive, probably will buy one this week!
     
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  5. Ryu5uzaku

    Ryu5uzaku Ancient Guru

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    I came to my conclusion precisely because I read reviews the difference for 2070 is quite small in big picture.
     
  6. Witcher29

    Witcher29 Maha Guru

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    They still have a messy unstable driver software. Also if u still want this card wait for aftermarket coolers folk trust me.

    Also u get the free copy of rage and new dawn in the end so much pink and green xD

     
  7. Exige245

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    Check out the AMD store directly, I snagged an Anniversary Edition there yesterday ;)
     
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  8. vbetts

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    Only issues reported and that usually is fixed by reinstalling is the funny colors when installing. As far as the overclocking goes, not too many AMD cards launch with great overclocking support. Looking at general reviews there have not been any major issues, this is far above the launch of Vega and Radeon VII.

    But giving AMD's history, they build up their PCB pretty well. And looking at the mounting plate, it looks an awful lot like the ones used on Polaris, so I'm thinking Accelero Morpheus coolers would fit on it no problem.
     
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    I live in Czech Republic and we have 21% tax, plus local retailers take some extra cut to MSRP. But I think that the local reseller is just completely out of their mind because of the new release. Normally prices aren't that far off, maybe exactly because German Amazon ships goods here as well. I'm also not interested in reference model, I'd like Sapphire, as I remember them having amazing AMD cards, but I'm not sure about it if it's going to be over 500€ for XT model.
     
  10. Loophole35

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    Same $hit cooler from the 200 series. Wait for AIB's and proper OC support.

    @vbetts Reports of monitoring software misrepresenting clocks is also an issue. Steve said he had a "spike" to like 16Ghz at one point in testing.
     
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    Just a note. Entire RTX 20 Super series have USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 controller, while Navi isn't.
     
  12. spajdrik

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    Not to mention that we in the Czech Republic have a much lower salary compared to Finland, so in the end, it's even worse.
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    I'll take your 21% VAT any day over our 24%... I wouldn't be surprised if our new government increased the tax to 25%. Over here the stores also add a bit of Finland extra as well to the prices. But I guess that's unavoidable in a small market without much competition. Many buy from abroad, like the already mentioned Amazon.de (I've bought an SSD and other small things from there as well).

    Sapphire is usually the AMD card to get, unless you chance upon a truly great offer from someone else. Interestingly enough the custom Sapphires aren't even the most expensive ones either.

    You wouldn't believe how expensive food, housing, cars, fuel, and pretty much everything else is here. But this must be 100% offtopic.
     
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  16. Jagman

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    @vbetts That must be about a 300% performance improvement over that 960, or something silly like that :cool:
     
  17. Reddoguk

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    I hate it when people make assumptions before the card has even had a chance to mature.

    The Super series is basically driver ready on release while 5700 needs some time for the drivers to mature.

    I understand if you disagree with that statement but at least wait for AiBs and OC'd versions to start with.

    I believe there's a 5-10% increase in performance to come in the near future. Meaning 5700XT will close any gap to 2070S for less money.

    Good job AMD, i think nVidia will have to drop prices now also.
     
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    @vbetts is running a rx580 i think not 960. ;)
     
  19. MonstroMart

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    I did the mistake last time i wont do it again. I went with a 1070 despite it being 2-3% behind a Vega 56 because of power consumption and temp and well the difference was marginal. I assumed AMD would not improve their drivers. In pretty much all revisit reviews i watched the 56 is winning comfortably in newer titles.

    The fact a 5700 XT blower model with non mature drivers is only 10 to 15% behind a 2070 Super FE with mature drivers for me is close enough to wait for the 3rd party cards reviews considering the significant price difference between the two.

    I'm excited for ray tracing. I have been excited for ray tracing since the mid 90ies. But i would be extremely surprised if ray tracing becomes widespread before another 3 years at which point any card i'll buy now will have to be replaced anyway. Right now my focus is 2k gaming and in 3-4 years i'll look more closely at ray tracing. For now i don't think the market is ready.
     
  20. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Actually now it's a 2070 lol. I just like the fun of overclocking AMD cards.

    I've gotten a Fury Nitro to 1300/600, An RX 480 to 1400/2200, I've got a Vega 64 Nitro I have to play with some time, and now the 5700 with an Accelero most likely on it. Although I will probably have to sell the 2070 once I get it to help cover the costs.
     
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