Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 7, 2019.
Looks like the XT might have some nice overclocking potential when cooled properly.
You must have not read the review. The 2070 Super is substantially ahead in almost every game except Metro, Tomb Raider, and Battlefield V, and in the GPU shootout the 2070 Super is a clear 15% ahead of the 5700XT which is at the same score as the 2060 Super.
There are more games where 5700xt is faster that HH didnt test.
Indeed, also look at the added power when OCed- this shows it got more potential.
TPU performance summary of 21 games across all resolutions:
Bold part is false at least for 1080p (4 out of 11 is not almost every):
BF5 - Clear win for 5700XT
SoTR - Equal
Metro - Equal
DX:MD - Equal
Strange Brigade - Clear win for 2070S
FC:ND - Equal
F1 - Equal
Witcher 3 - Clear win for 2070S
GTA5 - Equal
Destiny 2 - Clear win for 2070S
SoW - Clear win for 2070S
Shootout is not some aggregate score, it is just one benchmark in which Radeon VII, 5700XT, RTX 2070 sit in same space. It does not provide ranking that could be use as indication of general gaming performance, nor average gaming performance.
It is set of 2 tests that have certain workload distribution across different parts of GPU. And one that is closest to this ratio will get best score. But each game is different and therefore ranking is different.
(That's why 3DMark has so many tests over the years as they become obsolete for measuring average modern gaming workload soonish.)
Interesting times. Surely best gpus before 2080, 2080s and 2080ti. Price doesn't matter as they are another tier.
New arch and new features. 2070s and below are not an option and average real life gamer won't care about RTX.
Both products seem very good and absolutely win their price/performance battle against their NV counterparts, but I would go for the XT version this time, which is rare for an AMD product (I usually choose the cheaper versions, f.e. Vega 56, RX 570).
Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
They did. Amd really suprised us.
Well the graphs showed this at the AMD event. It's nice to see that their efficiency is in the butt of the NV counterparts and the RX5700 has even better performance/Watt ratio than the RTX2060. I know AMD has smaller die size, but hey, nobody (or at least I hope) buys GPU because it is made with smaller die size.
BTW, HILBERT: Wouldn't it be possible to make an "average" chart at the end of GPU and CPU reviews? It would be so awesome. Thanks for your hard weekend work on the AMD products.
Great review HH. Thank you as always.
Another great review HH. Looks like you had a busy weekend!
Great midrange cards, excellent vega64 tier performance with good pricing. Nvidia did shake up the release of these cards a bit, but clearly they had to scramble to adjust their own product range rather significantly to accommodate for these new cards on the market, and shows that competition finally is back in the market place in a real way.
Aftermarket cards may well transform these into exceptional beasts, and looking at this I am interested to see both the higher tier navi as well as AMD's own RT implementation, though more for curiosity than any actual purchasing preference. I simply wonder if there is a simpler and cheaper to the end user way of delivering a comparable experience for a fraction of the price, reminiscent of the gsync/freesync situation.
And I agree, AMD is back on form. The future looks good for us consumers!
Just read the review and those are some very nice cards and for me they are a better choice than the ones from Nvidia because of the lower although all of them are a little overpriced...
Now he need to see how they behave with proper coolers because the stock ones are crap.
Great review Hilbert!
This bodes well for Navi 20.
Yeah will be fun to read if the architectural changes and what the clock speeds will be (Less?) can make a bigger difference still compared to the 5700's here, naming also means a possible 5800 or 5900 or even both if Navi20 doesn't turn into some 6000 series lineup next year which could also happen, depends I guess if Navi20 is mid or late 2020 and if AMD might get a 5800 revision in or if the 5700's will be it for Navi10 here but I guess we'll know soon enough once they have something to announce plus I am expecting mobile versions of the GPU as well if the 7nm process is good enough and a eventual replacement for Vega, if the drivers and hardware can be improved further then there's not much place for Vega now after all if the 5700's can overtake it definitively while also costing less although it could see a price drop as retailers drop their stocks of existing cards but that's just speculation.
VII's a curious one too also being matched a bit in some reviews, leading in others and being surpassed in others (Old review scores? Eh could be a number of different causes.) but then that's also mostly surpassed unless you need the additional memory capacity and HBM advantages for compute tasks or software work since it's not going to be worth the price/performance ratio against the Navi cards or NVIDIA's GPU's for gaming as I'm seeing it at least.
(It's not bad but it's like 800 US Dollars or more and then what the Euro pricing will be from country to country against this at around half that price for the 5700 and a bit more for the 5700XT but the difference between the XT and non-XT is fairly small so far.)
EDIT: Well not too good at descriptions and all that as usual but price and performance wise the 5700 and 5700 XT if the price holds is positioned pretty aggressively especially after AMD reduced it further just before launch and the improvements are already showing promise against earlier GPU's so it competes really well as-is even with early drivers, stock coolers and as seen from the one water block test so far it can scale up even with the driver problems though not everyone will be overclocking it like that either heh.
Going to be really fun to see what the third party AIB models will be capable of once the blower fan goes off and what's going to be on offer for both air and water cooling and possible driver improvements for the next few months and clock speeds for the non-reference models if it's possible to squeeze some performance out without going into the 2 Ghz reach and setting voltage to max with fans at hella loud level.
(Water can make a difference here if that's going to be a thing though so that will also be a fun little read I'm thinking.)
Yes Sir, as a midrange buyer/gamer the "non xt" 5700 looks damn great....
ain't it funny how 1 week of reviews "new stuff" can change everything...
I wonder where on Earth you live with the place apparently being even more expensive than Finland, at least with hardware. That's something of a sad achievement, for sure. I can see Sapphire 5700 for 389€ and 5700 XT for 449€. Not that these would personally interest me as I don't care for reference models, at least with the blower cooler. It would have been nicer if custom models had started from that 389€, but I reckon they will automatically be over 400€ with the reference being that much.
I think most reviewers had the same thoughts as HH regarding price. Most were expecting a disruptive price with regard to Navi (similar to Ryzen), which we did not get. From the Digital Foundry conclusion: