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Review: AMD Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. metagamer

    metagamer Maha Guru

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    Many get their panties twisted when Nvidia has an exclusive feature, dunno why. To me, any new tech is welcome. Let the consumer decide what they want from their graphics card and base their purchase on that.

    Or, ideally, let's see these features be implemented by both with time.
     
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  2. metagamer

    metagamer Maha Guru

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    why are you comparing AUS pricing to US pricing when average person in AUS has twice the income of average person in US?
     
  3. D3M1G0D

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    Customers aren't doing that though. Those buying a 2080 Ti aren't doing it for its exclusive features (RTX), there is simply no other alternative at this point in terms of absolute performance. RTX (or lack thereof) is hardly a factor in purchasing decisions - nobody cares about a feature that will nearly halve their FPS (no matter how shiny the reflections are).

    If AMD came out with a 2080 Ti competitor for much cheaper (say, $700) but it did not have DXR, I doubt a single person would care about the lack of ray-tracing. Similarly, if Nvidia released a GTX 1680 Ti that was just as fast as a RTX 2080 Ti for $700, it would sell like hotcakes (directly at the expense of the 2080 Ti).
     
  4. metagamer

    metagamer Maha Guru

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    I said let the consumer decide what they want from their purchase. Be it RTX, be it great performance to dollar at $300, be it budget gpu. People are free to do whatever they want.
     

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    Then assume cause of thermal issue for me. What else do you really think is secondary cause?
     
  6. bballfreak6

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    Umm because the point I was making wasn't how much more we pay vs US but how much more the NV card is charged here relative to the AMD cards if using the US RRP as basis? You might want to read my comment again.
     
  7. metagamer

    metagamer Maha Guru

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    You pay exactly 42% more on both, you might want to check your maths.

    If I was to be anal, you actually pay 42.4% more on Nvidia and 42.9% more on AMD. Not sure if you're trolling.
     
  8. bballfreak6

    bballfreak6 Ancient Guru

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    What? 2070 Super RRP in the US is 25% dearer than 5700XT RRP (499/399 = 1.25) but over here it's 42% more (939/659 = 1.42). I just got out of bed am I confused?

    BTW average income doesn't mean much without taking into account such a thing as "cost of living"
     
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  9. Aura89

    Aura89 Ancient Guru

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    Minimum wage in USA: $7.25 USD, $10.55 AUD
    Minimum wage Australia: $13.39 USD, $19.49 AUD

    Difference in minimum wage: 84.69% increase in favor of Australia

    Comparison to cost of living:

    From https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livi...jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Australia

    Consumer Prices in Australia are 2.29% higher than in United States
    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Australia are 3.13% lower than in United States
    Rent Prices in Australia are 13.47% lower than in United States
    Restaurant Prices in Australia are 0.22% higher than in United States
    Groceries Prices in Australia are 0.48% lower than in United States
    Local Purchasing Power in Australia is 0.76% lower than in United States

    This one shows a bit more detailed information and possibly more accurate information.
    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Cost-of-living

    Nowhere does it show that it cost 84.69% more to live in Australia, in fact, it rarely gets even close to that. That's realistically the issue that people have with australians always complaining about their prices, as i guarantee you, most people in the USA would rather get paid almost twice as much, and have items cost 20-30% more then they are now.

    Now, obviously this only applies to the generalized "idea" of australia and USA, different cities, and states, and territories will ofcourse drastically change this information. For the USA the issue is many states go by the national minimum wage, which hasn't changed since 2009, whereas the australian minimum wage has increased about 25% in the same timeframe.

    What you don't see in this forum and most forums more often then not though, is USA people complaining about minimum wage or prices "because we live in the USA" (i'm not saying USA people don't complain about minimum wages, it's a big debate over here, i'm strictly talking about this forum and forums like this)

    As to the prices you listed here:

    RTX 2070 Super MSRP USD $499, AUD $727 conversion, with $860 listed from multiple australian websites as the RRP

    Here's a RTX 2070 Super for $865 AUD, exceptionally close to the RRP which depending on how you want to classify it, it's either pretty much exactly on price, or %19 more expensive then the USA. I'd gladly make 84.69% more to spend %19 more on my graphics card. (Plus i think this includes tax for australians? It doesn't for the USA, which ofcourse will depend on what state you are in)

    RX 5700 XT MSRP is $399, AUD $580.62 conversion, with $629 listed from multiple austrlian websites as the RRP

    Here's the cheapest RX 5700 XT i could find for $679 AUD which depending on how you want to classify it, it's either 8% more expensive then the RRP, or 17% more expensive then the USA. Again, gladly get paid 84.69% more to spend $17% more on my graphics card.

    But serious question here: Do you prices include the 10% tax? Everywhere i've looked says yes, that australian advertised prices have to include taxes

    https://www.business.gov.au/products-and-services/fair-trading/displaying-prices

    which states: "The total price must include all charges, taxes, duties, levies or fees (such as Goods & Services Tax (GST) or airport tax)"

    So if that's correct, your numbers look even worse, as ours don't, and our taxes can range from 0% in states that have income-tax (which realistically means it's not 0%, but rather 0.9%-13.3% depending on the state and bracket you're in) to 12.875% depending on what sales tax state and city you are in.

    So if yours do include tax, take 10% out of them to compare, and you're looking at cheaper products in australia, to 7-9% more expensive, again while making 84.69% more.

    So what's the point of all of this?

    Australians, stop complaining about your prices, the only people who will feel sorry for you is people who don't do even the smallest amount of research. You make 84.69% more on minimum wage then people in the USA do, from a country standpoint, and no one is going to feel sorry after seeing that, and seeing cost of living differences, that you end up paying 0%-20% more on electronics, especially since your prices appear to include tax. Australians are the 2nd most wealthly per adult in the world. As well, you have the 2nd highest minimum wage in the world. Stop complaining.
     
  10. bballfreak6

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    Ok, last time I am going to post on this matter.

    The price I listed was the cheapest price I could find OVER TWO WEEKS AGO. So prices obviously have been adjusted since then, which is great and as it should be! I even made the statement originally that the prices were so high to begin with maybe as a way for retailers to clear non Super stock. I have not checked since then because I am not upgrading my graphics card right now.

    With regards to cost of living: I've never been to the US so I can't say for sure, but based on what my friends say when they visited US for holidays they always have a ball and buy heaps of things and eat heaps of food because they've always found it cheaper to shop and eat; that's all I am going off. I could also throw it back and compare cost of owning a house in Australia even just in the suburbs.

    Wage wise yes you guys have much lower minimum wage which I have no problem acknowledging, but it is also customary to tip; I know that's not guaranteed income but tipping is just not a thing in Australia so the numbers might be closer than you think.

    Finally, I replied to metagamer originally only because he was saying I was trying to complain that we pay more in Australia compared to the US, to which I stated I clearly wasn't. I was using US prices as a basis to compare how much more the 2070S cards are being charged compared to the 5700XT prices here making the 5700XT a bargain and the 2070S a ripoff.

    Some of you's really need to take it chill pill. I'm done.
     
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  11. metagamer

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    @Aura89 thanks for putting the effort into this. It really is tiring seeing people complain about prices in AUS. I'll just throw in some eastern European countries, where a 5700xt costs 2 months salary for many people. And I'm sure there's parts of the world that have it even worse, where you basically work to pay bills and put food on the table and have nothing spare left.. So the complaining coming out of Australia (and NZ) really winds me up every time I see it. You don't have it bad guys.
     
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    People would not be able to have such an argument regarding cost for Americans vs Canadians. The average Canadian and US wage is the same, yet Canadians pay 40 percent more for everything. Every Canadian knows we are getting fucked over.
     

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