Review: AMD Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT

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  1. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    Occurs at some point in this video. And yeah maybe there is variance but when the variance leads to multiple sites confirming the cooler is bad, including one where it's literally shutting the computer down, I think you kind of have to say it's bad. It's the only way things get fixed.
     
  2. Fox2232

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    Video has few issues. Like incorrectly set up encoder.
    Overheating:
    - apparently menu statement is dumb, it is still rendered
    - As above, making statement about issue, but not showing any details. Not providing what software issued encode for GPU. Was it re-live? OBS? Did they capture video in lossless state and encoded it offline? And same goes for overheating issue.

    I doubt that they did not take card apart. Yet, no word about it.
    - Like: "And we replaced TIM and that did (not) fix the issue."

    I wonder how can someone say (LLT) in two sentences right after each other that AMD introduced new visually lossless Display Stream Compression that enables 8K 60Hz w/ HDR and then believe same company makes encoding engine that can't provide better than mediocre compression for 1080p.
    While Navi has actually higher compression power than 2080Ti and therefore can do much more work on encoded material before it spits it out.

    I have seen reddit post and some other from people who have temperature issues showing that blower RPM did not increase. And here is info from one of reviews:
    Hilbert's OC to 2090MHz with increased voltage and blown out power limits resulted in 82°C. While blower still being at 43%.
    I say that this difference between card that certainly pulls good 250W and stays at 82°C against stock card that reaches 95°C says something else than that cooling is bad.

    It says that either some people messed with their card. Or that there was bad assembly. That can happen.

    If you want to blame AMD directly, do so for not automatically increasing blower speed as temperature goes over 90°C.
     
  3. Stormyandcold

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    So it's still AMD-side problem then.

    Tbh, the XT for the money is really appealing, but, we definitely need to see the AIB cards.
     
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    I should have clarified re 'inconsistency'. Main thing I was referring to was the TIM application (regardless of design of card). I have even seen good AIB cards with well designed cooling have wildly inconsistent temps due to poorly applied TIM. Have owned a Fermi back in the day and improved its temps by several degrees just by re-applying the TIM. I'm sure many of us have done that or encountered others who have done this in forums. This process should be well implemented by GPU makers to reduce such inconsistencies to a minimum. Here is where I think AMD slacked off a bit, at least with the 5700xt samples given to reviewers. I could be wrong, but this is my general impression.
     
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  5. Fox2232

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    Who does the ASUS blower card comes from? AMD or ASUS? Who do you have warranty against? AMD or ASUS?

    Cooling solution is clearly sufficient. Assembly may not be perfect. Card with blower sent by AIB is responsibility of that AIB same way as custom AIB card.

    AMD's responsibility is to ensure blower rpm ramp-up to provide adequate rpm to given temperature. Then their responsibility is vBIOS fail-safe for overheating that actually does kick in.
    But as along as card is assembled correctly, those 43% of RPM are clearly sufficient to keep card's thermals in check.
    But poorly assembled card that has not been check for assembly issues could overheat even with 100% RPM on blower.
     
  6. cowie

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    I think cooling should be an non issue just slap an aio cooler on it,if your anal about it
    or you can wait for an aib card with a aio on it and pay $150 more:D
     
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  7. Stormyandcold

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    Looks like issues par for the course.
     
  8. platypus

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    No it's not an AMD side problem, it's people who don't understand what these reference cards are.
    They are not for us, the enthusiast, these are designed for OEMs like Dell and apple who insist on putting powerful cards in cramped cases with little to no airflow. Hot air must be expelled from these cases. You will not see AMD drop these coolers anytime soon.

    Look at these cards as an early glimpse before our cards arrive. The aib cards.

    The fan not ramping isnt great, I agree wholeheartedly, but it will be fixed.

    My asus 290x has been running at 90°+ for years. Never had an issue FWIW.
    I can switch bios to make it run cooler (and slower) if I want. It's never bothered me.
     
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    Good point actually, I hadn't thought about that :)
     
  10. Stormyandcold

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    You still end-up with it being an AMD problem. Usage scenario is irrelevant. If the fan curve isn't aggressive enough, then, there'll be inadequate cooling. These kind of problems are usually fixed in software (driver). People need to stop defending these kind of issues just because it's AMD. It's not like Nvidia haven't had this kind of issue before.
     

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    Not everyone has that => assembly issue. Even with blower at max, badly assembled card will have heat dissipation trouble.
    Same applies to HD 7970 I used to have. I did slap Accelero Xtreme on it and it was fine. But in cousin's PC, years of weight on one side pushed TIM away from between GPU and heatpipes. Resulted in overheating issue and need to repaste.
     
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    Ok you're having a go at the fan profiles and not the cooler itself. My mistake.

    Yep I agree, its embarrassing for them, this stuff should not be happening.
    Happens too much in the gaming world, software that needs patching on release day. Does nobody test anymore?
     
  13. Stormyandcold

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    Let's not assume this issue only applies to badly assembled coolers.
     
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    Many get their panties twisted when Nvidia has an exclusive feature, dunno why. To me, any new tech is welcome. Let the consumer decide what they want from their graphics card and base their purchase on that.

    Or, ideally, let's see these features be implemented by both with time.
     
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    why are you comparing AUS pricing to US pricing when average person in AUS has twice the income of average person in US?
     

  16. D3M1G0D

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    Customers aren't doing that though. Those buying a 2080 Ti aren't doing it for its exclusive features (RTX), there is simply no other alternative at this point in terms of absolute performance. RTX (or lack thereof) is hardly a factor in purchasing decisions - nobody cares about a feature that will nearly halve their FPS (no matter how shiny the reflections are).

    If AMD came out with a 2080 Ti competitor for much cheaper (say, $700) but it did not have DXR, I doubt a single person would care about the lack of ray-tracing. Similarly, if Nvidia released a GTX 1680 Ti that was just as fast as a RTX 2080 Ti for $700, it would sell like hotcakes (directly at the expense of the 2080 Ti).
     
  17. metagamer

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    I said let the consumer decide what they want from their purchase. Be it RTX, be it great performance to dollar at $300, be it budget gpu. People are free to do whatever they want.
     
  18. Fox2232

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    Then assume cause of thermal issue for me. What else do you really think is secondary cause?
     
  19. bballfreak6

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    Umm because the point I was making wasn't how much more we pay vs US but how much more the NV card is charged here relative to the AMD cards if using the US RRP as basis? You might want to read my comment again.
     
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    You pay exactly 42% more on both, you might want to check your maths.

    If I was to be anal, you actually pay 42.4% more on Nvidia and 42.9% more on AMD. Not sure if you're trolling.
     

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