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Review: AMD Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. platypus

    platypus Active Member

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    Yep, I'm done here.

    I've got far better things to do with my time than wading through page upon page of troll posts.
     
  2. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Raja wasn't the reason for the RTG floundering, Navi is as much his work as anything.

    Lisa Su's more agressive at putting the money where it needs to go, the last AMD president was not looking broadly enough.

    I found this
    https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...re-i3-6300-3-80ghz/ultra?lang=en&currency=usd

    on paper, the RX 580 is the superior part yet it loses to the 1060 in various games where it should definitely come out ahead, it should be more comparable to a 1070.
     
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  3. Goiur

    Goiur Master Guru

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    580 is doing better than the 1060 lul

    Edit: where are the base line numbers to compare?
     
  4. Fediuld

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    Maybe because different RTX GPUs were used? On the HU video a 2070 or 2070S is used.
    If someone uses RTX2080Ti maybe would be able to see better processing due to more tensor cores and shaders?
    Do you have the link of the discussion to see the specs of the GPU posted that DLSS image?

    Update : The DLSS image you posted is from 2080Ti while HU uses 2070.
    Which means DLSS results arent the same for all GPUs, however if thats the case, anything lesser than RTX2080Ti looks low quality mess!!!!!!!
     
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  5. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Putting the numbers into perspective,

    with the i3 6300, the 580 trades blows with the 1060.

    now compare it to the 1070 with the i3 6300
    https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nv...re-i3-6300-3-80ghz/ultra?lang=en&currency=usd

    Now, we change the Rx580's cpu pairing to a 9900k
    https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/amd-ra...e-i9-9900k-3-60ghz/ultra?lang=en&currency=usd

    Do you see the problem?

    the rx 580 with a 9900k easily compares with a 1070 FE on the i3 6300.

    Also, line up the 3 of these at 2560x1440 and take a look

    https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/intel-core-i3-6300-3-80ghz/ultra/
    https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/amd-radeon-rx-580/intel-core-i3-6300-3-80ghz/ultra/
    https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/amd-radeon-rx-580/intel-core-i9-9900k-3-60ghz/ultra

    Good hardware, held back by drivers.

    Statistically, the people buying RX cards aren't using them with 9900k's, they are getting paired with Fx and i3's.
    There is also some sort of perception that AMD gpu's run best with amd cpu's regardless of the age/performance of the chip o_O
     
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  6. Goiur

    Goiur Master Guru

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    What about the rest of the test bench? Do we know what they used? Mb, mem, hd... (I dont see it)

    There are too many blanks to fill to take those numbers seriously.

    They could be right...or not.
     
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    HWgeek Master Guru

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  8. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    How much of that "On Paper" Is Foundry and Power to Clock limitation form it?
    AMD used to have more SPs and TMUs, but fewer ROPs. Each has different advantages. In this case nVidia has 50% more ROPs but has 44% fewer TMUs. This kind of wide difference alone enables each to be much stronger than other depending on game.

    Site you linked shows Ultra results by default, that on 1080p does not put as much load on TMUs, but ROPs have to do all the AA. And even there are cases where RX-580 has 38% higher average performance. (DoW3, and that shows fps: Ultra/High/medium/Low as nVidia=47/82/103/149 AMD=65/100/121/167)
    Do you see that interesting difference there? In each case difference is 18fps. Weird right? Hard to explain.
    So I took values for BO4: nVidia=51/86/107/153 AMD=66/101/122/168... Weird right? Difference this time is fixed 15 fps regardless of details. Raises some more eyebrows.
    So I took PC2 which is known to favor nVidia: nVidia=49/84/105/151 AMD=44/79/100/146. By this time I am sure you already understand the pattern, right? And implications... Site is fake.
    (I do not blame you. I spend on math over 20 years and lived by it for long time too. Recognizing patterns even in numbers is question of taking a glimpse for me.)

    One thing which you may want to use as argument (while it has downside) is memory bandwidth. nVidia had better memory management and therefore 1060 could do with 192bit interface, while AMD needed 256bit and that proven to be limiting factor for 580 and heavy burden to 590.
    But part of it is nVidia's "visually lossless" compression. Where people always get to see difference once compared to AMD's worse solution. From Navi materials, AMD improved it a bit, or rather a bit more. Which is good.

    But that does not support poor CPU=nVidia Wins. I can pick quite a few games. And since I can change clock on the fly by typing a number and one click to apply, I can tell you exactly how high fps can games achieve on mentioned RX-580 at given CPU clock and where bottleneck limits certain budget builds.
    Be it 60Hz or 120/144Hz. (People on tight budget do not buy 240Hz screens.)
     
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  9. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    see the follow up post which compares the same details with a 1070, and then the 580 with a 9900k
     
  10. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Who cares? Site is FAKE.
     
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  11. Loophole35

    Loophole35 Ancient Guru

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    Looks like it’s using a math equation to spit out results.
     
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  12. Ryu5uzaku

    Ryu5uzaku Ancient Guru

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    Yes it's a useless site on many levels. rx 580 and the cards before Navi required more from devs to use them properly which we can clearly see from 2560 shadercores vs 2560 shadercores now and of course ROPs aren't limited as badly as before.
     
  13. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    And the AMD delusion continues, sad that you peons are so against Radeon doing better that you have to lie to yourselves that things are "Good Enough".
     
  14. Loophole35

    Loophole35 Ancient Guru

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    The only delusional person here is you. Stop projecting.

    No one here is unaware of the DX11 overhead AMD suffers from. In fact Fox2322 has gone to length explaining it. Bu to say anyone running a $130 CPU is gonna drop $400+ for a GPU is delusional.
     
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  15. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    No mate, its clear you wouldn't have a damn clue how mainstream buyers spend money and pair components.

    Tech communities are ruefully misleading on the reality of pc builds.

    /done
     

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    Goiur Master Guru

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    Someone broke his safe place and he climbed to the holy altar again to call us peons LOL

    This guy is fucking crazy hahahaha This one needs some medication... or maybe just sleep. /shrug.
     
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  17. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Peons are the ones that assure themselves things are "good enough" when everyone thats woke knows better.

    Whats it like owning a GPU that doesn't even work as well as the RX polaris rebrands? - Now thats crazy.
     
  18. Goiur

    Goiur Master Guru

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    I could pay for a 2080Ti SLI BUT instead i bought a Vega56 for around 350€ almost 1 year ago. Best bang for buck at the time.

    I play every game I want at the frame rate I want so for me the "good enough" its just perfect gameplay experience.

    You should be ashamed that you dont enjoy the overal better experience with the 2080Ti and instead you still own a 1080Ti with overal worse experience. lul
     
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    And lemmings are ones who follow blindly instructions. And repeat them for other lemmings.
    Lemmings are then confused that there is other species than Lemmings that do not blindly repeat propaganda.

    Funniest thing is that Lemmings will repeat their propaganda even to face of those who have real world experience that confirm Lemmings are wrong in their beliefs.
    And they repeat same cycle over and over again. Occasion by occasion.

    I would rather be multi-purpose Peon than one use Lemming.
     
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    :D ^ multi-purpose Peon....I like that one....
     

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