Review: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. Evildead666

    Evildead666 Maha Guru

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    You could probably add that it should go from planar transistors to finfet also. Doesn't that save space in itself ? :)
     
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    Both AMD and Nvidia will have full lines for 16/14nm for sure.
    Its such a big leap in process, for us enthusiasts it is almost the Holy Grail of Shrinkages.
     
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    Ah right, I don't know much about that, I googled it now and game up with this:
    https://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/28/samsung-talks-about-their-14nm-finfet-process/

    Is that what you're referring to? They say there that 14nm chips will essentially be the same size as 20nm versions because of the interconnects you mentioned. Yes, and indeed (20nm squared)/(28nm squared) = 0.5, so yes it looks like Hilbert was right in saying that the 14nm chips will be half the size of the 28nm chips. That's true if it really is gonna be based on 20nm interconnects - don't know how set in stone that really is though? If that's not set in stone then maybe the 14nm stuff will actually be a 'true' 14nm and then it will be a quarter of the size!
     
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  4. Evildead666

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    May be so for the interconnects.
    But if you've followed the cellphone CPU's, you'll know that the '20nm' was broken, and people moved quickely on, GloFo/Samsung onto 14nm, which is working well now, and TSMC on 16nm I think. Not sure what they are producing at 16nm yet tho.

    edit : twice the size (density-wise) is still a huge jump though. :)
     
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    How do you figure it's "king for 4k"? It rades back and forth with the 980ti (wins some loses some) but it overclocks like CRAP.. 75MHz overclock?!? The 980Ti will destroy this card in every game with the overclocking headroom it has... Don't be a blind fanboi and make ridiculous remarks like "king for 4K". Especially when there are two cards that are obviously better. And I wouldn't hold your breath for "driver could get better". This is AMD we are talking about....
     
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    But its not actually 16nm, trigate is different, the jump isn't linear like it was previously. For example the density between 14/16nm is essentially the same. The difference is in switching speed, 14nm switches a little quicker, in order to differentiate it they just labeled it 14nm. Intel is even more different, you can't Intel's 14nm directly to Samsungs. Intel's is like true 14nm trigate.

    They basically made a bunch of terms up for marketing reasons. Samsung/GloFo is doing 14nm, but it's not ready for GPU's. TSMC is doing 16nmFF+, which is on schedule to hit mass production in Novemberish. I'm sure Samsung with have 14nm ready for GPU's around then too.

    But yeah they will both be huge jumps.
     
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    Lack of HDMI 2.0 is a big miss for them i fell.

    Again i believe they concentrated too much in innovation and not enough in actual everyday gaming performance @ under 4K.

    I loved the review H and don't think i never missed the little dropped hint of Amazing things to come with HBM v2.

    So many products will start popping up soon with HBM v2 Maybe even Mobos, Smart phones for sure and maybe Routers, servers for sure Laptops and tablets maybe if it's cheap enough.

    HBM will only get smaller and faster while being more efficient and growing in capacity.

    Future CPU's may have all the memory you'd ever need on chip and DDR as we know it will be gone in the future. In fact we all know it's building up into a PC all on one chip. CPU/GPU/RAM/VRAM/south and north bridge all in one packaged chip.
     
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    It does look like AMD are behind the curve, but at least as it stands right now the Fury stacks up well in performance to the 980ti (well very slightly lower performance). I wouldn't mind building my first desktop with Pascal, think I'd like to build it once HBM matures a little.
     
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    Lack of HDMI 2.0 is a big miss for them i fell.

    Again i believe they concentrated too much in innovation and not enough in actual everyday gaming performance @ under 4K.

    I loved the review H and don't think i never missed the little dropped hint of Amazing things to come with HBM v2.

    So many products will start popping up soon with HBM v2 Maybe even Mobos, Smart phones for sure and maybe Routers, servers for sure Laptops and tablets maybe if it's cheap enough.

    HBM will only get smaller and faster while being more efficient and growing in capacity.

    Future CPU's may have all the memory you'd ever need on chip and DDR as we know it will be gone in the future. In fact we all know it's building up into a PC all on one chip. CPU/GPU/RAM/VRAM/south and north bridge all in one packaged chip.
     
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    +1, its been like this for sometime now, good few years and tbh the gap increases with each new GPU release. It all went downhill when the 7990 was released which still came too late. Ever since then there downward trend has continued and they aint managed to get back in the game. The Fury is using a shoddy watercooler and it still cant beat the Ti which has a supposedly inferior air cooler! Just goes to show how good Nvidia Engineering really is!



    [​IMG] :D
     
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    That depends what you class as complaining. I discuss overhead sure.
     
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    As good as the 4K performance is, I think it's only because nVidia's 4K performance is lacking.

    The 980 Ti is better sub 4K, yet the Fury X matches the 4K performance.

    This looks like a nice card for the money, but AMD needs to move on to GCN 1.3 or 2.0 or whatever.
     
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    Really disappointed with the performance of this card. AMD made some awful decisions.

    I just ordered a MSI Gaming 980 TI :). Single gpu for me now. No more CFX/SLI for me. There is always an issue and I am tired of that.

    I havent ordered a waterblock yet which makes me feel weird. I always watercool my cards and cpu. Maybe it is time for a change so I will check on temps. :nerd:
     
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    You can't just compare ROP counts, it's all specifications and their relation to each other that can be compared, not just a single stat.
    You can push the same amount of water at the same time trough a thin pipeline by using higher pressure than a thick pipeline, if that makes sense....

    The only card it Rivals is the GTX980Ti, the Titan X has to high a price tag to be a competitor.
    I'm also impressed by the Fury's size, but that is about it.
    For 4K there is no fast card, all current cards suck at it when you only use 1 of them.

    You can hope, but it would be a rather bad commercial for AMD to send out lower bind samples to reviewers.
     
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    Do you buy a card because of that it has new innovation or to get better performance than what you have with your current card?
     
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  16. Halfmead

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    Funny how fast people are to ridicule AMD, especially after a review of new product that performs very well.

    It may be that people have had too high expectations for some reason.

    AMD, at this time operates with an R&D budget that is 100+ Mill $ lower than Nvidia and still manages to deliver a new, more efficient memory system than current Nvidia cards (ofc. nvidia is coming with HBM v2, when they're done milking their customers wallet).
    They give you a factory Watercooled card, they give you a card that performs at roughly same level of 980ti...and still you cry..

    True, It probably should have retailed ~50$ cheaper to keep that 'AMD, more for less' we have become accustomed to.

    Far as i can see, a very nice high-end card that shines the most at 4k resolution.
     
  17. Mineria

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    People expected that the more efficient memory also included a more efficient GPU, and you can also get factory watercooled 980Ti's, so...
    As for 4K, be serious, none of the single GPU cards is good enough for that atm., even the reviews show, state and conclude it, so no real shining there even whit the fact that it does it better.
    2 Fury's might outshine 2 980Ti's by a lot at 4K though.
     
  18. -Tj-

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    They doubled L cache size and other registers to compensate proper use of HMB, that's why ROP stayed intact, they apparently thought about putting more but saw "no benefit". Well more ROPS will yield better perf., it raises pixel fillrate and GM200 just proves that.


    No It does rival both, especially titanX at 4K, I've checked 10 reviews so far.


    Btw what's up with all these contras? :p
     
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  19. Halfmead

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    yes, you can get watercooled/hybrid EVGA (not Nvidia ie. factory) ti, if you're willing to pay ~150 Euro more for it (at least for us Danes) :)

    What i tried to get through though, was that it is a very good product, from a company that IS struggling, but still tries to stay competitive and innovative :)
     
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    For a water cooled card a freaking 75mhz oc is laughable. Tbh I wouldn't want to go 4k on a 4gb card right now hbm or not. That are just 2 of the reasons why I don't like the card. At least the ti comes with 50% more vram for around the same price. Now thats nvidia milking the 980ti? Then I'll take 2.
     

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