Review: AMD Radeon R9 Fury X

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  1. thatguy91

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    It would be interesting to know what the performance is like in Windows 10 with the latest leaked driver. Ultimately of course, come 29 July, what it will be like then.

    AMD have done a lot of optimising with DirectX 11 lately on the Windows 10 driver. I suspect the Windows 8.1 Fury driver didn't receive that same love. Tough time to release a driver with this in mind, when Windows 7 and 8.1 is being replaced by Windows 10 a month after its release.

    No discussion or argument regarding people sticking with Windows 7 and 8.1 after Windows 10 release. AMD and Nvidia are not in the business to encourage people to stick with deprecated OS's against Microsoft's wishes, especially since the upgrade is free. If you're using the latest hardware like Fury, and wanting to stick with Windows 7 or 8.1 after 29 July, quite frankly, you're an idiot!

    I'm not going to apologise for that statement ;).

    So basically, in short, come 29 July and Windows 10, with the release Windows 10 AMD driver, the gap between the Fury and the 980 Ti will likely close. The Nvidia driver already received the DirectX 11 love, so their gains will likely be less. I'm referring to the actual DirectX 11 overhead optimisations part of the driver here, which happens to be in the very latest leaked Windows 10 drivers, not for it being Windows 10 specifically.
     
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    On a system that cant fully utilize the new technology, dx11 :). Maybe save the bashing for later this summer when the card is retested on DX12 :)
     
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    The Fury X would need a insane amount of a boost from windows 10 considering it cant out do a a stock non OC'd 980ti. Maybe it will get one but I don't see it.
     
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    I like it when new members come here and ignore the obvious. Instead they try to start a war with someone a lot more intelligent than them. It always amuses me.

    Go read through the charts, take your time, report back. You're excused now.
     
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    I did. Looks equal +/- in most of the 4k benchmarks.
     
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    Yeah, because Nvidia cards are going to receive no gains from DX12 either, right?

    The people banking on a driver to make this card good are delusional. It's not happening. This isn't a new architecture, this is GCN slightly rehashed. There is no magically gains coming, 2-5% at most. As for DX12, it puts the driver package into the hands of developers, developers like the people who build Batman. Yeah I can really see them optimizing well /s.

    The only good thing to come out of this card is the fact that AMD has HBM out of the way. Hopefully with a shrink + new architecture + what they've learned from this, they can take it forward with a new product next year. Nvidia may trip up implementing new Arch + HBM + Tri-gate node+ Mezzanine design -- that could be an opportunity for AMD to catch up.

    The card isn't completely terrible for the price + I'm sure it will come down, but overall it's disappointing.
     
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    I don't think the huge DirectX 11 optimisations are in the Fury Windows 8.1 driver either :)/

    Just to summarise what I said a few posts back.

    I think AMD realises that come 29 July, there will probably be a new wave of comparative reviews. These reviews that will be using the optimised drivers (hopefully properly available by then) where the Fury and other AMD cards can shine in DirectX 11 and 12. Even GCN 1.0 cards should benefit greatly by these optimisations. Yes, Nvidia will benefit greatly from DirectX 12 as well, but Nvidia have already received the DirectX 11 love, so Windows 10 release should favour AMD.
     
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    And Nvidia cards will not get the same advantage?
     

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    Seems like fury is a 4k card, see how it fares in DX12 though.

    The price doesn't justify its performance in 1080p/1440p though.
     
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    Currently AMD has more draw calls in DX12 compared to NVIDIA. That doesn't mean anything directly and right now it's too soon to tell. Look at the DX11 scores though :D
     
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    AMD have made some major DirectX 11 optimisations in the Windows 10 driver apparently. These optimisations are overdue, Nvidia optimised their driver several months back. This is why it will benefit AMD at that time, because the Fury Windows 8.1 driver didn't get those optimisations.

    The optimisations are a driver thing that just happens to be only in the Windows 10 driver. Nvidia have already optimised their driver largely for DirectX 11, AMD are 'playing catchup', if you want to look at it that way.

    So, benefit will be in favour of AMD (most likely).
     
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    The benefits we got from the Windows 10 driver was less framespikes, and higher lowest FPS. We didn't gain FPS at the top end sadly.
     
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    Yes we all know AMD has a driver overhead problem, but what if Nvidia has not optimized for DX12 yet. All I'm saying is don't count on someone else to do AMD's job for them. Nvidia has never done that.
     

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    While you were quarreling about need to reduce Fury X price, available units on stores are already sold.
    AMD will reduce price if needs be, but for now it looks like they do not have to.
     
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    What if AMD hasn't either?
     
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    been a lurker since voodoo 3dfx, I apologize for not joining the forum sooner :)
     
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    That's quite old, and before the DirectX 11 optimisations of AMD's were applied.

    You can use that graph though to highlight the optimisation difference between Nvidia (with that carried over from their Windows 8.1 driver) and the optimisation level currently in the AMD Windows 8.1 driver.

    That is why I'm suggesting that the Fury will shine once Windows 10 is released. Not due to Windows 10, but due to the optimisations that just happen to be only in the very latest Windows 10 driver (leaked driver). It is likely that there will be further optimisations before 29 July.
     
  20. theoneofgod

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    Those Windows 10 drivers are for the select few that bothered installing the modded drivers or those that are testing Windows 10.
    I was showing the images for the DX12 scores though.
     

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