Radeon RX Vega to Compete with GTX 1080 Ti and Titan Xp

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  1. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    Lol..

    Nvidia has HBM2 equipped cards already. The difference is that Nvidia has the money to split it's compute/gaming lines with completely different GPUs. AMD doesn't, so they have to essentially share their top line in both segments - otherwise they'd be using GDDR5x in gaming too as it's almost definitely the reason for Vega taking so long.
     
  2. wavetrex

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    It would be really sad if the best product AMD can make is only "a bit" better than the 1080 which is nearly one year old already.

    If that is the case, I guess I'll skip GPU upgrades in 2017...
    Fingers crossed for 2018, 4K GPU @ 500 Eur (max)
     
  3. alanm

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    It was originally scheduled for "early 2017".. but after Pascal release there was some chatter that it could be October 2016... now its H1 2017.. which is now clear that is not 'early 2017'.
     
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    I hope it comes soon at and pushes pricing down this 980 is really struggling with my 4k screen.
     

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    Indeed Vega hasn't been delayed. Strictly speaking.

    But during transition to 14/16nm AMD (Raja Koduri) did go on the record saying AMD was several months ahead of the competition,
    only to be swarmed few months later by dozens of low/mid/high/super-high/ desktop, mobile and pro SKUs from the competition.

    Remember pre-release boasting about the Polaris redefining the gaming and the VR?
    Looking back now, we can see that the Polaris didn't redefine anything, except their portfolio, which all of a sudden ended with the mid-range product.
    Oh and earned the $h1t-tone of money for free-reigning Nvidia.

    It's hard for AMD with all the accumulated debt;
    on one side - Intel behemoth, and on the other - razor sharp Nvidia.

    Back then Raja Koduri said something like "still long time to go". Delusional fans translated it as "impending Vega launch" :D
     
  6. Valken

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    I hope Vega delivers and I really "WANT" BIG VEGA to be 1080Ti speeds because my next target is 4K@60 FPS or faster. 1080 barely scrapes it at that resolution on a single card, but OC gets really close. Based on Ryzen, Fury and the 4x0/5x0 series, I don't see a lot of OC headroom with Vega unless they have something magical hidden away.

    If they hit that target, no one will say Vega was (too) late because the 1080 Ti just launched (I know, Titan XP was out already but not that Ti price).

    Little Vega definitely is late if it is the same as 1070. It needs to be 1070+ or 1080 to be competitive or cost around 20% less to make up for market share.

    I know I should not say this, but even near the same price, I would pay for Big Vega at 1080 Ti SRP (not gouging) prices despite knowing there will be at least 3-6 months of driver tuning (I bought 6950 CFX at launch) but ultimately it was super stable after 2Q. LOL!

    Otherwise, I would just wait for Volta and Vega 2.0 next year when they release 12bit 4K screens.
     
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    Well I dont think it was only 'delusional fans. Many sites were reporting of a possible early (Oct 2016) release, incl G3D, TPU, Techreport among others:

    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/raja-koduri-creates-a-bit-of-hype.html
    http://techreport.com/news/30113/rumor-amd-may-pull-vega-gpu-forward-for-an-october-launch
    https://www.techpowerup.com/222403/amd-pulls-radeon-vega-launch-to-october
     
  8. Denial

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    They were reporting it based on a rumor. The same rumor that fans were talking about. It's why I hate rumors. It's why I hate WCCFTECH. They just spray out a load of bull**** and one rumor turns out correct and it's what everyone remembers, not the 10,000 wrong rumors.

    I'm glad people are starting to see it now though. They were wrong about Pascal's release date and performance. They were wrong about Vega's release date. They were wrong about Polaris's performance. They're basically always wrong, like 99.9% of the time. And the few times they are right, it's just a lucky guess or it's within like a week from launch and they are actually getting real results and not making stuff up for clicks.

    And yet despite this people still continue to post their clickbait nonsense and reputable sites like Guru3D/Anand/Etc are forced to give some credence to the rumor because if they don't they are either considered "behind" by the community or "biased" by the community or simply lose out on ad revenue as well.
     
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  9. Hapatingjaky

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    According to the old old old roadmap Vega was supposed to be released in 2018 to go up against Volta. Due to the Polaris release and Nvidia stomping on AMD they were forced to expedite the card.

    The first Rumor came out of Videocardz stating that it would release in Oct 2016 according to the updated Roadmap it was to be released in Q1 2017, which then got pushed to the 1H 2017.

    If I were to venture a guess I'd say the card will perform probably 10% slower then the Ti but a great price point, but due to HBM2 availability we will see a Vega announcement in May with a very low availability starting in June through August.

    What I don't understand are the people stating how they want 1080/1080Ti performance when we've already had this performance for over a year in the 1080/TitanX ( not the new XP ).
     
  10. Evildead666

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    People want 1080/Ti/TitanX(p) performance, but not at those prices.
    :)
     

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    8GB of VRAM was alot two year ago. But Today it's not too much for 4K, or even 1440p.
    Especially coz nVidia do their "VRAM gameworks flooding" these days.

    When Fury X was out fresh. People think that, stuttering it was pure driver issues, and will be fixed in near feature.. coz new HBM etc.. blabla..
    And after time, future prove it - that was not just the drivers.
     
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  12. Hapatingjaky

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    You wanna play? Then you gotta pay.

    Everyone needs to get off the price train, the price is what it is and that's not going to change. You want high end performance then pay for it, otherwise wait a year or more for the competition to come up with something viable. By then something even better will be out and then everyone will be complaining about it's price.

    It's capitalism at it's best, he who is at the top gets to dictate the price. If AMD were the leader it would be the same thing. Until we get competition this will be the norm.
     
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    Considering:

    1. the less-than-stellar perf/W of Polaris compared to Pascal
    2. the fact that AMD has had no competition to anything above the 1060 for almost a year now

    How can you argue that wha the said is subjective? As it stands right now, Nvidia has had their foot up AMD's ass since July 2016, when the 1060 was released and the 1070 and above were already on the market.

    The issue isn't Nvidia having the edge over AMD. The issue is that over time, feces tends to harden and develop adhesive properties - thus Nvidia's foot will be harder to remove the longer this drags out. (in case you couldn't abstract the idea from my ridiculous statement, I mean that the more AMD is in this situation the more Nvidia seems to increase their lead)

    AMD is already late to the party and nobody likes that.

    Honestly this was one of the sickest jabs I've seen in my life. So subtle yet so freaking good :D
     
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    People who think Vega will be cheap are dillirious, HBM2 ruins any chance of that happening, simply because there is not enough of it, so expect shortages on launch, which in turn inflate prices.

    I'm not even taking about the fact that HBM2 itself is considerably more expensive to begin with.

    Nvidia on the other hand can just slash prices at will, I mean look at this - they literally cut 1080 by 200 bucks without sneezing, they can cut it by another 100 no problem if needed and same with Ti really.

    I just can't see how Vega can compete with that, unless it's absolutely stomping.

    Another problem is 8GB VRAM, it's simply not enough for flagship. I use 5.5GB already with ME:A at 1440p and it's gonna get worse as we go, especially at 4K and new Xbox coming with tons of memory.

    Basically the above makes me think that Vega will be DoA really, card which again is not viable for what it was aimed at like Fury X.
     
  15. Silva

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    I'm sorry, could you tell me witch Nvidia cards use HBM? 1080(Ti)? Titan Xp?

    My guess is that it won't blow anyone away by it's performance, but will be a great price/performance contestant.

    You have a 1080, I don't understand why would you need to upgrade in the next 3 years. But that's just me.

    Early 2017 counts as H1 in my book, as being H2 late 2017.

    Rumours and miss interpretation lead to bad hype trains...

    They want AMD to force Geforce prices down so they can buy their 1080Ti.

    I remember buying my 9800GTX for 330€.
    If I wanted a 1080Ti today...800/900€.
    Isn't that a bit too much? I'm not going to argue anymore on this topic.
     

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    Also, I don't know whether AMD said Vega was coming "Early 2017" but saying mid Q2 is "early 2017" is ridiculous.
     
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    Quadro GP100 uses HBM2 and it's Pascal architecture for example.

    Tesla P100 too. Also Pascal. Pascal can already use HBM2 just fine, why not for gamers? Maybe because they die not want to delay their stuff for a year plus making themselves a laughing stock like AMD.
     
  18. Hapatingjaky

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    Tesla/Quadro line has a model with HBM.

    And you need to adjust for inflation.
     
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    As usual amd trying to hype a bit this , sadly but truly amd dont have the technology or the infrastructure to achieve better gpus than nvidia ,i just hope make a "nice" gpu at a good price and if we have lucky will be in the range of 1080 not even ti.
     
  20. ivymike10mt

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    Coz they stick to Micron for now, for much lesser GPU manufacturing price.
    If they need to be (lets say more competetive to AMD). They can do HMB2 aswell. But then, their profits will hurt abit.

    And I not trying to say GDDR5x are bad video memmory.
    They performing very good, and overclock like crazy.
     

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