But all that would come anyway.. The information I'm looking for is what are the lost sales for potentially 6 months of complete abandonment of the "10%" market, vs sales if they released a GDDR variant of Vega in Q1 this year and then, more importantly, when did AMD realize Vega wasn't going to be launched until Q2 potentially Q3? People argue the GDDR would be way more attractive than nothing. Which is what it's up against. But my point is that the argument is moot. We don't know what AMD's roadmap was for Vega and without it questioning whether or not it was a good idea to build a GDDR card is irrelevant because if two years ago they thought they could build the HBM card by Q1 2017 - why would they do a GDDR variant in the first place? And basically the only information we do have, indicates that AMD thought they could get the card out by then.