QNAP Introduces a 2.5GbE Network Switch

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    The QSW-1105-5T features five 2.5 GbE ports, plug-and-play set up, automatic loop detection and blocking, and auto-negotiation functions, the QSW-1105-5T allows users to easily build a 2.5 GbE network...

    QNAP Introduces a 2.5GbE Network Switch
     
  2. ruthan

    ruthan Master Guru

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    Advertising without price tag is lame..
     
  3. Inquisitor

    Inquisitor Member Guru

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    I know switches are just boring boxes anyway but that design looks so outdated and horrible. Also find it odd that they have put the power socket on the front of a desktop switch
     
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    wavetrex Ancient Guru

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    It's around 100-120 USD.

    Cheaper than rack-type switches that have 2.5gbps, but not exactly cheap.
    We need TP-Link / ASUS to step in.
     

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    NETGEAR GS105, is £20
    Hope this is close to that price.
     
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    "NETGEAR GS105, is £20
    Hope this is close to that price."

    What? Clearly it won't be??
     
  7. wavetrex

    wavetrex Ancient Guru

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    What does this have anything to do ?
    It's a plain old gigabit switch.

    The only other switch that I know of that has more than 2 ports of 2.5G is this one:
    https://www.amazon.de/TRENDnet-10-Port-2-5GBASE-T-Switch-TEG-30102WS/dp/B079Z2SHCX/

    And look how much it costs.
    I know... as I bought one. Painful price, even with the discount I caught at that time...
     
  8. GamerBoyManuel16

    GamerBoyManuel16 Member Guru

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    Hm i'm curious when we'll see 10gbit/s more cheaply
    I don't get why they've introduced 2.5 and 5 gbit/s as 10gbit/s was already there

    is it because of cabeling?
     
  9. wavetrex

    wavetrex Ancient Guru

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    Yes. (Reason 1)
    Cat5e is deployed in many orders or magnitude more than Cat6 or better.
    Pretty much all office buildings are cabled with Cat5e only, to their end terminals, sometimes even between floors.

    At home level, I've rarely seen anyone with Cat6+ inside the walls, only enthusiasts that do it themselves. Most contractors still put Cat5e TODAY because it's much cheaper, and customers don't know any better to ask for 6/7


    Reason 2:
    10G requires 4 lanes of PCIe 2.0 or 2 lanes of PCIe 3.0 to sustain the speed, and those lanes are few and precious.
    2.5G needs just 1, same as 1G

    We've -barely- just moved away from 2.0 in AM4 platform, as for Intel, the number of lanes coming from SB is quite limited, and in general used for other things, like USB 3.x


    Reason 3:
    10G chips are very power hungry, compared to 1G/2.5G
    We won't see them in laptops... for a long, long, long time.


    Home computing is not yet ready for 10G, by far.
    10G will only happen en-mass... when every platform has PCIe 4.0 and most building contractors put Cat6/7 by default... which I don't see in the next couple of years.


    2.5G is here to stay, at least for a half-decade, but probably longer.
     
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  10. It could be lower - I had 2.5 at the house (admittedly possibly a bit overkill) Century Link offered a trial Fiber program a while back so I said yes. Shortly after I was offered a position working remote before covid hit. I don't recall paying much per router or switch. My expensive parts were client upgrades; to saturate it. Motherboard upgrades on a few. In hindsight I probably could have looked for add on cards. For laptops I had a wifi only razer where I just swapped wifi cards for a Wi-Fi 6 capable one. The odd man out was my 2012 Macbook Pro; poor bugger got shelved... in place of a 2020 Macbook Air
     
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  11. JamesSneed

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    "which I don't see in the next couple of years." The next couple decades seems more realistic :) It will be a decade or more before 10G is ready for typical home usage.
     
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    am I the only one that almost never uses a usb3 device? other than the occasional pendrive, oh and I have a kinect, see how hard I'm trying?

    most motherboards can allocate their bandwidth according to ports in use, say if you use pcie port3 you lose 2 sata ports, why not do that with usb & ethernet? if you plug a usb3 device, ethernet drops to 5g, 2.5g if you plug 2 usb3 devices, and so on

    yeah they are power hungry chips, perhaps because their current usebase doesnt care much, and the infrastructure situation is the usual chicken-egg dilema
     
  13. wavetrex

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    That's not how it works...

    PCI-e lanes don't just allocate bandwidth where it's needed. They are physical wires that go to various devices, they can't just "go somewhere else"
    The designer of the board must choose what kind of devices they want to put, and consider how many of these wires go to them.

    There are indeed "switches", but those are quite expensive electronic circuits that the motherboard manufacturer needs to add (and high-end boards do have them in certain occasions).

    But switches also mean... "if this is plugged in, that is not working anymore" - Explain that to the consumer why their HDDs are no longer visible (SATA port suddenly stopped working after plugging in some capture card). It's a support nightmare. Which is why most board manufacturers avoid using switches altogether.

    There are also port multipliers, but those are even more complex and expensive (and in general used only on ultra-high-end boards, HEDT stuff)

    TL;DR
    To add 10G NIC they need to cut out something else... and most are not willing to make this compromise.
     
  14. EspHack

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    lol just take a look at b450 boards, most of them will turn off a couple sata ports when you use the m.2 port, same for intel boards, cheap or high end
     
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    x570 mboard has 6 S3 ports and 3 NVMe ports, and if I use the first two NVMe I can use all 6 S3 ports, but if I use all 3 NVMe ports, I only lose ports 5 & 6 on my S3 controller. Not too shabby. I can run the first two NVMes @ PCIe 4 x3, as well. IIRC!
     

  16. kakiharaFRS

    kakiharaFRS Master Guru

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    Netgear XS508M 369$ or XS505M 300$ depending on your country (way more expensive in NA for some reason) you gte more bang for your buck with 10gbe
    QNAP is dead to me the quality of their recent product has gone down but not the price, that 12$ aliexpress plastic radio power connector

    p.s.
    if you want motherboards where you can really use all the ports and slots, threadripper MSI TRX40 Creator it has no switches, what you see is what you get
    and yes 10Gbe is running hot/requires a lot of cpu power/high power draw/takes 4x pcie 3.0 lanes bandwith the same as a 3.0 nvme M.2
    on the creator I have 3xm.2 6xsata (only 6 but all at max speed unlike motherboards with asmedia ports) 2+gpu pcie cards a ton of usb connected and everything runs well, super hot but well (80 lanes or something isn't free that motherboard with all connected draws easily +60watts than a 9900k+z390) I was blaming the 24 cores but after building a 2nd almost similar intel...it's the motherboard/chipset/nvme that generate a lot of heat/watts motherboard/chipset alone are +15°C than a "gaming" computer I really don't recommend putting an aio/rad on top of your case with threadripper, those chunky heatsinks and sometimes fans (asrock) aren't just for shows
     
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