Pro Overclocker Der8auer Feels X299 Platform is a Disaster for Overclocking

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  1. weasel

    weasel Master Guru

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    I've been Overclocking more then 15 years and never had trouble.
    If its stable then its stable ;).
    And if you don't oc your cpu to the max limit or pump to much voltage through it all the time then you don't have to worry ;).
    Why buy overclocking motherboard and ram and cpu etc to run it at stock settings?
     
  2. Witcher29

    Witcher29 Maha Guru

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    When i check the guru 3d nvidia drivers forums , i see a ****load of problems with people, but only the people who overclock.

    Sinds the gtx 980 i never had any blue or black screen, freezings in-game,s or desktop.
    There are so many problems when u oc your cpu or gpu and then complain its a drivers fault, while actually its your own OC bs that cause those freezings and system reboots.

    even a slighty oc of 20 mhz on cpu or gpu can cause hard freezings.
    With that said i rest my case :)
     
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  3. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

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    Yes, some have 8+4 and a few even have 8+8. Although the high-end OC boards have not been released yet, they always come out a bit later.

    This doesn't help you, the connector would still heat up. For OC you want two connectors and two dedicated cables from the PSU.
     
  4. weasel

    weasel Master Guru

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    I didn't mean to offend you ;) But in all seriousness if you know what you are doing then overclocking is no problem at all.

    And if your OC is stable then its stable if not then you need to lower your settings thats all.

    I have my 5930k oc'ed since day one and yes when i was looking for the max stable oc i saw a few bsod's but thats it.
     

  5. Silva

    Silva Maha Guru

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    I'm sure that after you bought your shiny very expensive motherboard, Intel won't fix the fact you can cook on it. It's not hate, it's journalism.

    :roll:

    110ºC!?
    Oh Intel...

    In my opinion the platform isn't just a disaster for overcloking: it's a total fail.
     
  6. Denial

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    I kind of wish there were more tests of the 8 core. With half the FPU's per core and two less cores it should use way less power and thus obviously heat on both the CPU and the VRMs. I think over 8 cores you might as well go threadripper anyway.

    Still thinking I might pick up the 7820x and then switch to Zen+ next year or something.
     
  7. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Bugs? That platform Works-As-Designed.
    You are not going to get better heat transfer by BIOS patch. Or lower power consumption without sacrificing clock.
    Raid without extra pay. Few top CPUs with 14+ cores delivering practically same performance within same TDP, therefore buying top will be just waste of cash.
     
  8. ivymike10mt

    ivymike10mt Master Guru

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    I think there is in 3/4 motherboard manufactures fault. And in 1/4 From intel side - certification issues.
    They should not let manufactures abuse VRM that way.
    And its look like they barely pass certification for 150W TDP.
    They both looks not ready for 300W TDP "mobos" anyway.

    If someone like drill these topic more deep. Its good to know what transistor they use. Should be more premium with gold or platinium.
    I think You never heard about 2500K - lol
    After 6 yrs with hard OC, they work perfectly, as well as platform do.
    Toons of ppl can confirm.. :)

    That increase the risk even more.

    EDIT : Whole X299, looks rushed, and pathetic to me.
    They want be te top on of all benchmark and rankings by all cost.

    Why Intel just not bring more cores with smaller prices..
    They really need to get spanked ass by AMD?
     
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  9. bemaniac

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    110c at 4.6ghz. Gawd I thought my 7700k was hot but at least I'm gaming at higher framerates and a stable 4133 19-19-19 than anyone will be able to with X299!
     
  10. Exascale

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    Its an ill conceived platform to begin with. They finally had competetion!

    So what do they do?

    Instead of making a small, medium and large CPU platform like AMD did, they make tiny, big and huge platforms.

    AMD: Ryzen, Threadripper 2x Ryzen, Epyc 2x Threadripper.

    Intel still has a max of 4 cores on LGA1151, then from 4 up to 18 cores on their next step up.

    The real reason LGA2066 X299 is such a diaaster is that it is a result of Intel catering to its datacenter and supercomputer clients with Skylake-SP(socket LGA 3647) while cutting corners with their consumer parts.

    They could never dream of using that socket for consumer parts and cutting into their margins. They already have Xeon D as well.

    Thats how you get something like the X299 platform. Its designed to span a larger gap than it really should, having 4 core i5s all the way to 18 core monsters in the same socket.
     

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    thats insane, intel proper shooting themselves in the foot with this quick release, if its a design flaw, i wouldn't really call it a "bug", can only pray vendors fix this issue with intel before official release, I can live with a CPU with crappy tim, but a motherboard that can catch fire from stupidly high temp? well naaah thanks, I enjoy life to much for that crap lol.

    There hasnt been any word on the Asus Rampage? I wonder if they are delaying it to fix such issues...
     
  12. JamesSneed

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    You are both right. I would say very few people do the proper stress testing to make a PC that is as stable as stock especially with OC'ed CPU and GPU's. When you OC both the CPU and GPU you need to stress them both at the same time for hours on end to make sure the voltage drops when nailing both don't cause instability but very few do this in reality.
     
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    He said in the video that ASUS is redesigning the Rampage because they also found the VRMs to be an issue - but idk how much of a problem it was considering he used a prototype of it to hit 5Ghz.

    I think the issue here is a combination of a rushed platform and the need for the motherboards to scale from Kabylake X all the way to 18core stuff eventually. You need to make it cheap enough that Kabylake X makes sense but you also need to have an insane power delivery system and well designed cooling. The two don't really go hand in hand.
     
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    U didnt dont worry i just meant this in overal for everyone.
     
  15. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    How is this "Intel-hate?" This is coming from someone who has been overclocking Intel platforms for years, he's even made tools to delid Intel processors.

    The big issue is with the whole x299 platform is it just eats up way too much power so produces a lot of heat man.
     

  16. ivymike10mt

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    I start sillently feel, that Intel soon will bring another chipset, for medium or lower end CPU's :D

    But I may be wrong.
     
  17. xrodney

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    The problem is here that mobos won't miraculously grow another 8pin for CPU to reduce way out of spec load on power wires and mobo VRM heatsinks as well won't improve. Only choice here is to RMA board for some properly designed.

    Even Ryzen boards have mostly 8+4 or even 8+8 pins and that's mainstream platform with max 95W TDP CPUs. For HEDT platform higher wattage on CPU is more than expected.

    If problem is that big just with 10c cpu, how it will be with promissed 18c ?
     
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    you just move the problem from cable to pins on cable. its as well not designed for that power.
     
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    Well on my MSI X99 MPower I have an 8 pin + 4 pin for CPU, so I'm pretty sure some of the X299 boards should have two pin connections.
     
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  20. nevcairiel

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    They do, its called coffee lake.

    Heck even the entry-level HEDT CPUs are not too badly positioned (the 6 and 8 cores). People buying the higher models know what they are buying them for - or if they don't know, then they just have way too much money to waste.
     
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