Pope calls for a new political and financial world order

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  1. r0llinlacs

    r0llinlacs Active Member

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    The day Michael Jackson died, this is what happened behind the scenes.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order


    Pope Benedict today pinned responsibility for the worldwide recession squarely on greed and an amoral fascination with technological progress for its own sake.

    This must be tackled, he said, by the creation of a global political authority and financial order based not just on the search for ever greater profits, but on ethics and a sense of the common good.

    The pontiff made the appeal in a 144-page encyclical – a reflection on doctrine that is the highest form of papal writing – three days before he was due to discuss the global downturn with Barack Obama.

    Caritas in Veritate (Charity in Truth) is Benedict's third encyclical and the first to deal exclusively with economic and social issues. In one section, he says the current economic crisis is "clear proof" of the "pernicious effects of sin".

    The pope's analysis echoed some of the criticisms made by the archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, of government policies that target growth to the exclusion of wider social considerations. But, as its title suggests, the papal encyclical is a primarily theological discourse which takes as its point of departure the argument that only a belief in the truth as proclaimed by Christianity can offer the necessary answers.

    "A Christianity of charity without truth would be more or less interchangeable with a pool of good sentiments," Benedict writes. His reflection – delayed by more than a year by the world economic crisis – nevertheless contains numerous specific criticisms and recommendations. Though the pontiff does not use the word "capitalism" in the encyclical, there are lengthy reflections on morality in economics.

    In a key passage, the encyclical says: "The conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from 'influences' of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way. In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom, and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise."

    Then in an unequivocal critique of unbridled markets, the pope writes that "grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution."

    At a press conference in the Vatican, the pope's technical consultant, Stefano Zamagni, an economics professor at the University of Bologna, denied the encyclical was anti-capitalist, but added that it "views capitalism in its historical dimension and goes beyond it".

    He noted that "the market economy is broader than just capitalism", which was merely one variant. In another section of the reflection, Benedict argues that "financiers must rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity … right intention, transparency, and the search for positive results are mutually compatible and must never be detached from one another."

    Then, in a passage that builds on ideas first voiced by his predecessor, John Paul II, the pope argues that globalisation has made necessary a "reform of the United Nations Organisation and likewise of economic institutions and international finance so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth".

    One of his most senior advisers, cardinal Renato Martino, said: "The encyclical is not asking for a super- or world government." But it comes very close to doing so. It proposes a "true world political authority" that "would need to be universally recognised and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice and respect for rights." It would be asked to "manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis [and] to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis."

    But its responsibilities would be more than just economic. They would include securing "timely disarmament, food security and peace". The new body, a reformed UN, would also be called upon "to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration".

    Often regarded as the first "green" pope, Benedict also took advantage of his encyclical to make clearer his ideas on the importance of respecting the environment. But Zamagni said the document implicitly rejected forms of environmental thinking that put other forms of creation on a par with humankind.





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  2. itsmikey76

    itsmikey76 Master Guru

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    Puts on tinfoil hat before this gets closed lol
     
  3. r0llinlacs

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    wow, pure fact, right in front of your face, and you still don't believe it.
     
  4. volkov956

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    Who is wanting to sign up for the Revolutionary Army that will oust such a beast if this happens ever. A world order is a no win situation it is just a means of more control and we will remove one evil to another that will have more control no thanks Pope go back to your Nazi Youth camp
     

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    Truth or not.

    Not in this forum lol.
     
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    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    Anything from any religious leader is fairytale stuff, and i take as much notice to the pope as i would to Bin Laden.

    No point saying whats wrong with the world, any fool can do that, doing something to change it is what matters.

    And i thought religious threads were a grey area on here?
     
  7. r0llinlacs

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    thank you mr. volk
     
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    LOL Already a mod!!! But with a higher post count than most of the admin here. LOL
     
  9. Zapmaster

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    Benedict argues that "financiers must rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity … right intention, transparency, and the search for positive results are mutually compatible and must never be detached from one another."

    Would be nice. But not in human nature.

    It proposes a "true world political authority" that "would need to be universally recognised and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice and respect for rights." It would be asked to "manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis [and] to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis."

    U.N is a crippled organization as is, something like this is not possible at all, and isn't going to happen.
     
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    seeing as the last time anyone actually listened to religious characters was in the 1600's i dont see how this is even that big of a deal.
     

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    A governing body over the nations of the world that will manage the economy sounds rather iffy to me, but I do agree that the United Nations is in need of reorganization. It seems as though it doesn't fulfill any of the mandates it was tasked with as efficiently as it should have been when the UN was conceived.
     
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    United Nations had the same fate as the League of Nations it is being delayed its fate by world leaders and politics.

    After which the EU system will collaspe as well eventually
     
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    Human nature will prevail. The new pope sounds like more of a quack than anything.
     
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    I knew people would use this to bash religion. It's just Pope's pipe dreams about globalization, this thread could actually create some interesting discussions since it really isn't about religion, but whatever.
     
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    must_kill_ati Maha Guru

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    So... the political and financial world order was okie dokie until the Catholic church was sued for 100's of millions by parents of little boys?
     
  18. r0llinlacs

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    ok my bad about my last post, if you don't believe in religion or the Bible then don't watch it. but you will be missing out on some important information that isn't in the article.
     
  19. Iggyblack

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    this is a tech site...
     
  20. Finchwizard

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    Closed.

    Learn the God damn rules. No Political or Religious or War threads.
    OP has received infraction points.

    Seriously, this is a tech forum, if you want to go and discuss these topics, goto another forum that is dedicated for it.
     
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