poor performance in CS:S with 2900

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by dangerous, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. dangerous

    dangerous Master Guru

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    Hi.

    All my settings are as low as they will go (no AA, AF, all set to low).
    I play at 16:10 1680x1050 widescreen

    I am getting very low fps imo in counter strike source even though stress test gives me average 312fps with above settings.

    Lets take dust2 for example, I average around 40-90fps I think this is way to little concidering everything is turned off.

    I am sure I used to get way better than that with settings on medium to max with my 7800GTX. (done fresh install ect since getting 2900)

    The drivers are all the same. ATM I am using 7.10 without CCC and using ATT.

    ATT is either set to performance and application settings or I just stop it from running.

    I have my rates at 100,100,25000 as my connection is good and my pc should be able to handle them.

    I am fresh out of ideas.
    I have ommited lots from the game via config file, draw box etc and still cannot get above 100fps constant. I think I should be able to or am I wrong?

    Please help guys.

    My CPU is set at 2.2GHz.
     
  2. aircool

    aircool Don Aircooleone Staff Member

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    CSS can be cpu bound with that higher end card, and also css doesnt yet uttilize all cores, which doesnt help.


    But is it smooth/playable? If it is then really it shouldnt matter.
     
  3. dangerous

    dangerous Master Guru

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    Hi,
    I am just trying to sinc it with my connection rates 100.

    Think I will just turn on all the eye candy and and get pritty much the same fps.
     
  4. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    ATT does not work with 2900 unless they just released a brand new version that does. This could be some of your problems.

    Secondly, the stress test does not test HDR, which some maps in CSS have. Do you have net_graph 1 (or 3) enabled to see what FPS you are getting?
     

  5. virtualex

    virtualex Master Guru

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    it's your cpu.
    i have the same problem with my current setup, been searcing various forums.
    Upgrade to a core2duo, i know it sounds nasty.
    HL2 engine is very very cpu dependent.
     
  6. ArCElM

    ArCElM Banned

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    You will get the same FPS at MAX or LOW details, because it is noting to do with your gfx card, HL2 is ALL CPU and also a single core app so you basically have an AMD 64 2.6 single core and your playing at high res so you will get FPS drops on full servers, no doubt, I came from an AMD64 3700+ @ 2.9 (300Mhz faster than yours for source) and I still got nasty FPS drops in places in 1024 then I got a Core 2 Duo @ 3.6 and the difference is INSANE.

    Just read your post again, you have your CPU at 2.2 ?? nasty, your screwed at that res, not a chance in hell your will get 100FPS constant even at 1024 - lower your res to take the strain off your CPU, your card can handle that res np, but your CPU will be raped.

    "Lets take dust2 for example, I average around 40-90fps I think this is way to little concidering everything is turned off."

    as I said, ON or OFF will make no difference, its not the details thats your problem, its the source engine + your CPU

    And run your stress test at DEFAULT - as in fps_max 300

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    "and still cannot get above 100fps constant"

    That will NEVER happen on your CPU in source - maybe in 640x480 - MAYBE

    Your best effort is to switch it up, instead of high res low deails, basicaly raping your CPU - go for low res and use your gfx card power to turn up EVERYTHING MAX, 8xMSAA etc, I am guessing you play matches etc as your after 100FPS constant, well this is your best way, garanteed.

    GL to you I sympathize as I had the same problems with my old CPU I also wish people would stop upgrading there graphics cards to get more FPS in source lol always makes me laugh how much people really do just have no idea.
     
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  7. virtualex

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    try fps_max 0, you will get better result in benchmark ;)
     
  8. ArCElM

    ArCElM Banned

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    obviously, thats the whole damn point why I told him not to use it. :knock:
     
  9. dangerous

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    Hi

    After a lot of messing around and I now put 8MSAA and 16AF and get better results.

    I used this file for my autoexe.cfg and that has helped a lot also.

    Code:
    // dT ! Legal FPS Config v2.0 (No Sv_Cheats 1 / CAL Legal / CEVO Legal / Zblock Legal)
    // Updated : 14 June 2007
    
    //   Cvars				Value for the command
    
    //Rates Settings
    cl_lagcomp_errorcheck				"1"
    cl_lagcompensation 				"1"
    cl_updaterate 					"100"
    cl_interpolate 					"1"
    sv_unlag 					"1"
    cl_cmdrate 					"100"
    cl_interp 					"0.01"
    cl_smooth 					"1"
    cl_smoothtime 					"0.01"
    cl_resend					"6"
    rate 						"25000"
    cl_pred_optimize 				"2"
    net_maxfragments 				"1280"
    cl_timeout 					"30"
    cl_predictweapons 				"1"
    net_maxfragments 				"1280"
    
    //Ingame Quality
    jpeg_quality 					"100"
    mat_monitorgamma 				"2.2"
    cl_lagcompensation 				"1"
    mat_debug_autoexposure 				"0"
    mat_debug_bloom 				"0"
    mat_debug_postprocessing_effects 		"0"
    mat_debug_process_halfscreen 			"0"
    mat_debugalttab 				"0"
    mat_debugdepth 					"0" 
    mat_debugdepthmode 				"0"
    mat_debugdepthval 				"128"
    mat_force_bloom 				"0"
    mat_hdroverbrightrange 				"16"
    mat_leafvis					"0"
    mat_norendering					"0"
    mat_parallaxmap					"0"
    mat_debugdepthvalmax 				"256" 
    cl_allowdownload 				"0"
    mat_bloomamount_rate 				"0.05f"
    mat_bumpbasis					"0"
    cl_allowupload					"0"
    cl_forcepreload 				"1"
    cl_drawmonitors 				"0"
    gl_clear 					"0"
    texture_budget_background_alpha 		"9999999"
    texture_budget_panel_height 			"0"
    texture_budget_panel_width 			"0"
    mat_compressedtextures 				"1"
    mat_filterlightmaps 				"1"
    mat_forcehardwaresync 				"0"
    mat_reducefillrate 				"1"
    mat_disable_bloom 				"1"
    r_maxdlights					"32"
    mat_wateroverlaysize 				"8"
    cl_show_splashes 				"0"
    cl_detail_avoid_force				"0"
    cl_detail_avoid_radius				"0"
    cl_detail_avoid_recover_speed			"0"
    cl_detail_max_sway				"0"
    muzzleflash_light 				"0"
    mat_hdr_enabled 				"0"
    r_maxnewsamples					"0"
    r_maxsampledist					"0"
    r_norefresh 					"0"
    r_minnewsamples 				"0"
    mat_parallaxmap 				"0"
    mat_hdr_level					"0"
    budget_peaks_window				"0"
    mat_forceaniso 					"0"
    mat_bloomscale 					"0"
    mat_forcemanagedtextureintohardware 		"0"
    mat_fastnobump 					"1"
    cl_wpn_sway_interp 				"0"
    mat_trilinear 					"0"
    r_TransitionSensitivity				"0"
    budget_show_peaks 				"0"
    budget_averages_window 				"0"
    budget_background_alpha 			"0"
    budget_show_averages 				"0"
    mat_antialias 					"0"
    mat_specular 					"0"
    mat_bumpmap 					"0"
    mat_showlightmappage 				"-1"
    mat_bufferprimitives				"1"
    mat_disable_lightwarp				"1"
    budget_show_history 				"0"
    mat_framebuffercopyoverlaysize 			"0"
    budget_history_range_ms 			"5"
    mat_surfacemat 					"0"
    r_forcewaterleaf				"0"
    r_updaterefracttexture				"0"
    mat_disable_ps_patch				"1"
    mat_envmapsize 					"0"
    mat_envmaptgasize 				"0"
    mat_disable_fancy_blending			"1"
    mat_autoexposure_max				"0"
    mat_autoexposure_min 				"0"
    budget_history_numsamplesvisible 		"0"
    mat_picmip 					"1"
    mat_clipz 					"1"
    r_phong						"0"
    lod_TransitionDist			        "0"
    mat_vsync 					"0"
    r_decal_cullsize 				"0"
    r_shadows 					"1"
    r_eyes 						"0"
    r_eyeglintlodpixels 				"0"
    r_eyesize 					"0"
    r_eyeshift_z 					"0"
    r_shadowrendertotexture 			"1"
    flex_smooth					"0"
    r_lod_noupdate					"1"
    r_worldlightmin 				"0"
    sv_alternateticks				"0"
    r_worldlights 					"0"
    r_flex 						"0"	
    r_eyeshift_y 					"0"
    r_worldlightmin 				"0"
    mat_shadowstate					"0"
    r_worldlights 					"0"
    r_eyeshift_x 					"0"
    r_eyemove 					"0"
    r_eyegloss 					"0"
    r_teeth 					"0"
    r_decals 					"0"
    r_waterforceexpensive 				"0"
    r_worldlightmin 				"0.0002"
    r_waterforcereflectentities			"0"
    r_waterforceexpensive 				"0"
    r_worldlights 					"2"
    r_PhysPropStaticLighting 			"0"
    r_cheapwaterend 				"1"
    r_cheapwaterstart				"1"
    r_updaterefracttexture				"0"
    r_WaterDrawReflection 				"0"
    r_WaterDrawRefraction				"0"
    r_drawflecks 					"0"
    r_dopixelvisibility 				"0"
    r_renderoverlayfragment 			"0"
    r_drawflecks 					"0"
    r_occlusion 					"0"
    cl_logofile 					"0"
    demo_recordcommands				"1"
    r_shadowmaxrendered 				"32"
    r_rootlod 					"2"
    r_lod 						"2"
    r_drawbatchdecals 				"0"
    cl_rumblescale					"0"
    cl_ejectbrass 					"0"
    mp_decals 					"1"
    net_showevents					"0"
    r_spray_lifetime				"1"
    showhitlocation 				"1"
    r_ambientfraction 				"0.1"
    r_ambientboost					"0"
    r_ambientfactor					"1"
    r_waterdrawreflection 				"0"
    r_waterforceexpensive 				"0"
    r_drawdetailprops 				"1"
    r_ropetranslucent 				"0"
    r_dynamic 					"0"
    r_avglight 					"1"
    r_lightaverage 					"1"
    g_ragdoll_fadespeed 				"0"
    g_ragdoll_important_maxcount			"0"
    g_ragdoll_lvfadespeed				"0"
    g_ragdoll_maxcount 				"0"
    lod_enable 					"1"
    cl_autohelp 					"0"
    cl_c4progressbar 				"1"
    hud_centerid 					"0"
    dsp_water 					"14"
    blink_duration 					"0"
    hud_fastswitch 					"1"
    closecaption					"0"
    
    //Sound Settings
    snd_flushasync
    snd_mixahead					"0.1"
    snd_async_fullyasync 				"0"
    snd_digital_surround 				"1"
    snd_noextraupdate				"1"
    suitvolume					"0"
    dsp_enhance_stereo				"0"
    dsp_slow_cpu 		                   	"1"
    dsp_spatial 					"40" 
    dsp_speaker 					"50" 
    dsp_volume 					"2"
    hud_centerid 					"1"
    cl_downloadfilter				"nosounds"
    snd_profile 					"0"
    volume 						"1"
    sv_voiceenable 					"0"
    voice_scale 					"1"
    voice_modenable 				"0"
    voice_enable 					"0"
    
    // These cvars boost your fps dramaticly
    r_3dnow						"1"
    r_3dsky						"0"
    r_sse 						"1"
    r_sse2 						"1"
    r_mmx 						"1"
    
    props_break_max_pieces 				"0"
    func_break_max_pieces 				"0"
    props_break_max_pieces_perframe 		"0"
    fps_max 					"102"
    con_enable 					"1"
    weapon_showproficiency 				"1"
    
    //Ropes
    rope_smooth_maxalphawidth 			"0"
    rope_smooth_maxalpha 				"0"
    rope_smooth_enlarge 				"0"
    rope_wind_dist 					"0.01"
    rope_subdiv 					"0"
    rope_smooth_minwidth 				"0"
    rope_smooth_minalpha 				"0"
    rope_averagelight 				"0"
    rope_smooth 					"0"
    rope_shake 					"0"
    rope_collide 					"0"
    
    //Models
    cl_ragdoll_physics_enable			"0"
    r_modellodscale 				"1"
    cl_ragdoll_collide				"1"
    cl_phys_props_max 				"50"
    r_maxmodeldecal 				"0"
    cl_minmodels 					"1"
    cl_min_ct 					"1"
    cl_min_t 					"1"
    r_drawmodeldecals 				"0"
    
    //Blood Settings
    violence_ablood 				"1"
    violence_agibs 					"1"
    violence_hblood 				"1"
    violence_hgibs 					"1"
    
    //Restrict the server commands
    cl_restrict_server_commands			"0"
    
    //Buy Script
    bind "[" 				"buy deagle"
    bind "HOME" 				"buy vesthelm;buy vest"
    bind "END" 				"buy m4a1;buy ak47"
    bind "PGDN"				"buy awp"
    bind "PGUP"				"buy mp5"
    bind "UPARROW" 				"buy defuser"
    bind "LEFTARROW"			"buy hegrenade"
    bind "DOWNARROW"			"buy flashbang"
    bind "RIGHTARROW"			"buy smokegrenade"
    
    wait;wait;wait;wait;wait;wait;wait
    clear
    This one is apparently for AMD CPU and it has helped.

    And yes I am getting into matches as pub's suk and I am enjoying the game.
     
  10. Simkin84

    Simkin84 Member Guru

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    i also have a REALLY poor perfomance

    with my old computer (Opteron 165 @ 2.6ghz, X1900XT 512) i got 196fps with 4XAA and 8XAF, everything on high and 1024X1280 Res..

    i now have:

    Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz and HD2900PRO @ Crossfire

    and now i only get 160fps with the same settings, tried with one card also, but still the same. actually a little better with only one card

    3dmark06 score is 17000 and F.E.A.R benchmark is fine..

    have tried to uninstall and install again, but it didnt help!


    what can be wrong?
     

  11. contra

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    i agree completely - however source engine supports upto four cpus now.
    I had rubbish fps with my 9700 pro, about 30 - 150. so I bought a 6800 ultra. big mistake. then got 20 fps to 90.

    Bought a core 2 duo 6750 and a 2600 xt and now get about 140 - 450 ingame, but lock fps at 100, and it is constant 100, never drops below.

    you need a core 2 duo to play css. bottom line.
     
  12. Lahomer

    Lahomer Master Guru

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    Doubt its your cpu i had a amd x2 3800 and a x1900 once could runned the game at highest settings with smooth fps
     

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