PC Gaming on the rise; analysts Forsee 30% growth in the PC gaming market by 2025

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    Hmmmm...
    Is it +30% for "real gaming" or for "miner's gaming"?
    (anyway both mean real bad for us)
     
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    If they're counting the BS that comes with "gaming" name attached, probably not accurate.
     
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    remember at the start smartphone craze, they say smartphones will replace desktop pcs... and here we are still rising.. :)
     
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    Even tho market is a mess people still wont give up from pc gaming and as it sais its on the rise. Cant wait we can actually get a new gpus.
     
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    Definition of gaming PC, notebook and monitor?

    Source?
     
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    Apart from the 'minor' issue of not being able to buy a new GPU (without buying a whole new gaming computer) & the hike in prices for gaming components generally, this survey is good news. A growing PC gaming market should lead to more games & better gaming kit.
     
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    DeskStar Maha Guru

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    From what hardware availability?!?
     
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    Huh? There's no hardware available because people keep buying it. It's not like the availability problem is due to companies not manufacturing anything. Much of the estimated growth is because of demand and the rate at which that demand is satiated.
     
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    This. We already know TSMC is pumping $100B over three years to increase capacity as fast as possible.
     
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    So there is and never was a shortage at all that is and could be effecting supply and demand right now?

    Doubtful at full production capacity with zero hindrance of the obvious we'd be talking about such low availability of products.

    Not like most companies making their traditional stuff weren't making masks and defibrillators for a cause. And that could have hindered future production of goods.

    The shortage is real and it's not just because it's being bought up....

    Might ask why Nvidia is projecting their "shortages" to last well into 2022???

    Guess they're already" bought up" then.
     
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    DeskStar Maha Guru

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    How would it both aspects were to be bad?

    If the hardware ends up in a "favorable" position it would be great for the consumer. That would mean they have their hardware they wanted.

    And not that of a sorry ass miner who's only goal is to rape the hardware market as quick as they can in order to turn some sort of profit from it.
     
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    If TSMC/Samsung/Etc are ramping production but more people want then they can ramp, growth can increase while not being fully supplied, right? Like if TSMC increases production by 30% but needs 50% to meet demand, then the market can increase 30%. That is what is happening here.
     
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    So who are these so called analysts?
     
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    it is though,
    the vendors would love to ramp up production and get more video cards in peoples hands, but theres a mosfet shortage, theres a substrate shortage, theres a lack of capacity (an artificial lack of capacity caused by letting those dicks at apple have too much fab time).
     
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    I found them!

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    and they're not playing fortnite.
     
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    There's a big difference between a shortage of niche products (the enthusiast market is niche) vs halted production of where the parts are coming from. Chips are still being made, the demand is just heavily outpacing production.
    AMD, Nvidia, Samsung, Intel, Qualcomm, etc don't seem to have any problem getting their stuff manufactured and sold, they're just not getting enough manufactured, particularly for the enthusiast market.

    Should chip production continue at a constant rate, demand will eventually go down. It might take a while, but it's really just a coincidence that desirable PC hardware, next-gen consoles, crypto mining, people bored from covid, people schooling/working from home, and more high-tech cars+appliances all happen at the same time. Although I don't have any numbers, I doubt production rates and yields have changed a whole lot in the past few years. If anything, they went up. So when one asks how the market can grow with hardware availability, you're not understanding that just because you're not willing to pay $1000 for a mid-range GPU, that doesn't mean the market isn't growing. Products are reaching consumers' hands. It's also worth pointing out that this 30% growth could be misinterpreted or skewed by miners. The pic @Airbud showed is a good example of that.

    Keep in mind, we PC enthusiasts are a small minority. Last I checked, most OEMs are still selling PCs for close-to-normal prices, and most people are going to buy a Dell or HP than build their own PC. So, that alone is enough evidence that the market can still grow, because miners aren't looking for such systems.
     
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    It must be all this cool rgb looking hardware!
     
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    Unless C19 decimates the world economics to the point where only the richest people will be able to afford it. Low supply of chips is only the beginning. I hope markets will stabilize and get better, but my natural realism says otherwise.
     

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