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P35, P43, P45 - which suits best?

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards Intel' started by LoKi_GER, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. LoKi_GER

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    Cheers!

    I'm planning on building up a new gaming machine from the roots since my old one is barely able to handle actual games, if they start at all that is ;-)
    From the actual planning it will have the following components:

    CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Box 6144Kb, LGA775, 64bit
    RAM 4096MB-Kit Corsair TWIN2X DHX PC800/6400 CL4
    Graphics-Card Sapphire HD4870 512M GDDR5 PCI-E
    HDD WD Caviar SE16 500GB SATA II 16MB
    DVD-ROM Samsung SH-D163B SATA Bulk black
    PSU OCZ StealthXStream 600W
    Case Revoltec Zirconium RT-101 black
    OS MS Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SB-Version

    Now you might have noticed there's one particular component missing which shouldn't be missing at all: the motherbard... Looking back on past experiences, I prefer both MSI and ASUS when it comes to trustiness. But I'm not sure of what mainboard I should choose. I'm tending to use either a P35, P43 or a P45 chipset from Intel. And here come the questions: which is the best choice for a configuration as stated before? And which mainboards can you suggest to me? Since I want to use only a single card, the option of SLI or Crossfire is superflous.

    From my online-searches I found the MSI P43 Neo-FR and the ASUS P5QL Pro suitable. What's your opinion?

    I'm looking forward to any sort of help and answers! :grad:
     
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  2. bokloz

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    First i would recommend to get a 700w psu at least then i would prefer asus than msi from my experience (and a gigabyte will be the best choice) so i would choose asus p5q pro or gigabyte ga-ep45-ds3r (better)
     
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    The Gigabyte board uses the P45 Express Chipset including support for Crossfire (2x PCI-E 2.0 x16). I don't need this feature as I don't want to use two VGA-cards but a single one, these extra-costs caused by optional Crossfire are not necessary.

    ASUS is a trusty manufacturer, so is MSI. And from what I can guess from your tones, you find Gigabyte to be a trustworthy company, yet I'd like to stick to either MSI or ASUS.

    What's the idea behind getting at least a 700W PSU? Shouldn't 600W be enough? I mean I'm using a single card only and the OCZ StealthXStream is a quality product.

    Now I'm unsure about what horse power the PSU should have as well...

    Anyone has experiences with the ASUS P5QL Pro?
     
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    The rig in my sig uses less than 300W idle, including two 17inch TFTs.

    It barely reaches 400W fully loaded, again ,with two TFTs as well.

    And as you're proposed rig has 2 less cores, and a 45nm CPU, it'll use a lot less than mine.

    The OCZ PSU is good, but I'd go for a Hiper, Coolermaster, or Tagan PSU.

    I've used all 3 many many times and haven't had a single failure.

    ASUS make easily the best motherboards, even though nowadays are Crossfire ones.
     
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    So a quality PSU with 600W should be the right decision? What about an optional change from a dualcore to a quadcore? Would it ensure still enough power?
     
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    i thought you would go crossfire but for a single card it should be ok and i would prefer gigabyte for more compatipility with other parts (i read somewhere that some energy saving features do not work on asus board unless you have your vga from asus too !!!!) of course ASUS is a trusty manufacturer but it is just you know .... past experiences
     
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    Guess that's some kind of marketing strategy: bind the buyer to manufacturer A as some features might not work if a component of manufacturer B is being used instead of the own product. It might be annoying for us buyers, but honestly: wouldn't we do it the same way if we were able to take decisions on company-side?

    Just a thought... :nerd:
     
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    you can run a 4870 on 400w PSU but its not recommend anyways my 2cents is that e8400 & e8500 is £10 difference in the uk so if you can get the e8500 for not much more then ....well buy it :)
     

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    Actually there's a price difference of 25 € between the 8400 and the 8500, so from the current prices I would grab a 8400. But since I plan to buy that rig in about 2 months earliest there's plenty room for falling prices, especially since Intel announced a new price structure.

    Back to the PSU topic: I thought about getting the OCZ StealthXStream 600W sine it's quite cheap, yet provides a good performance/stability/efficiency (in reviews it's being said it could be easily used for more than 600W power consumption, up to 720W). There are two points speaking against this PSU. First: it doesn't feature a cable-management sytem, second: OCZ might be trusty RAM-specialist but apart from all the positive reviews I'm still sceptical about their PSUs. On the other hand all those reviews don't come out of nowhere and the price really is unbeatable for such a product...
     
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    After having done some more online-searches I'm tending to either the ASUS P5QL-E (P43 chipset) or the ASUS P5Q (P45 chipset). Still I'm unsure about which board (and chipset) performs better in terms of performance and stability. The P45 and P43 are based upon the same crystals, still the worse copies are being used for the P43. So in terms of stability and performance: which is the better chipset (board)?
     
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    As far as the chipset is concerned, the decision is made: it's gonna be the P45 chipset. But after having compared some motherboards running that chipset, I found two more alternatives to the ASUS P5Q as it's unsure whether the chosen RAM will perform adequate on it. Namely these boards would be the MSI P45 Neo-F and the Gigabyte EP45-DS3L, both with tested compability to the chosen RAM. Now I declared the Gigabyte board my favorite as it's review-wise the best performer. User-wise the board is being critized for having some issues (read the user reviews of the mainboard on newegg). In addition to that both the MSI and the Gigabye board are cheaper than the ASUS. So any experience with one of these boards is welcome - negative and positive.
     
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    1. Quadcore with Vista 64bit.
    2. X38 MB. I would choose from Asus or Gigibyte.
    3. At least a 750W PSU.

    I just can't comprehend, the number of people who buy only what they think is required ATM. I always buy higher-end components. I may not use all that power; but, it's comforting to know that it's there when I do need it! Also, when you buy high-end; when it's time to upgrade, you can get more $$$ for the old stuff. ;)
    BTW: those of you who say 600W is plenty; what if he decides to upgrade to a more powerful CPU, GPU, more HD's, etc. Then he's gonna be pissed that he didn't get a more powerful PSU. :)
     
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    1. The Quad makes no sense since I do not intend do stuff like video-editing and such. Even if I did I would prefer using my MacBook over a PC platform. Furthermore I want a gaming station and a Quad is noticably slower than a Duo. The main reason may be the non Quad-optimized games, still I don't see good a reason for buying a Quad. Especially one with the old architecture (65nm in contrast to 45nm).

    2. It may be a better and faster chipset than the P35 or the P45, yet it's never been an option. I do not intend to use Crossfire or doing massive overclocking. It was a waste of money for features I wouldn't even use ^^

    3. 750W... What for? Even with the OCZ 600W PSU I can make it up to 720W which is more than needed for the planned configuration. So there's still enough room (meaning power) for upgrades.

    With saying this I didn't intend to blame you but... See - it's just advice I can't make any use of ^^
     

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    I agree, X38/48 is for full-bandwidth Crossfire functionality and/or seriously serious overclocking (or showing off :D) otherwise you're wasting money. A good P45 still allows substantial OC's and has no handicap with a single vidcard setup. Probably uses less power as well.
     
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    I'd say certainly uses less power :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, I love my X38! Forget the OC'ing and such. This is an amazing MB with no problems whatsoever. I've even updated the BIOS four times with no problem. This board is 100% stable! :)
    As far as OC'ing and power consumption goes; at idle, currently, my Q9450 is running at 3.376 (power saving on), VID is 1.248, CPU is at 29C, 1688mhz.
    No; I didn't waste my money at all! :)
     
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    I like mine too ;)

    But you have to admit that in most cases the price premium for the X38/48 is quite substantial and that a user's needs don't always require the plethora of features found on those boards. For some it's just needlessly complex.
     
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    To sum it up and complete the configuration from above here's the actual "wishlist", my upcoming Rig (still waiting for an overclocked HD4870 with better cooling solution and 1GB VRAM):

    Mainboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L
    CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Box 6144Kb, LGA775, 64bit
    CPU Cooler Xigmatek HDT-RS1283 - Red Scorpion Edition
    RAM 4096MB-Kit Corsair TWIN2X DHX PC800/6400 CL4
    Graphics-Card Club3D HD4870 1024MB, PCI-Express
    Soundcard Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Gamer (bulk)
    HDD I (System) Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 80GB SATA II
    HDD II (Programs & Stuff) Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA II
    DVD-ROM Samsung SH-D163B SATA Bulk black
    PSU Corsair TX650W 650 Watt
    Case Revoltec Zirconium RT-101 black (with one 1200rpm case fan included)
    Additional Case Fan Scythe S-Flex 1200rpm
    OS MS Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SB-Version
    Monitor Asus VW222U, 22" Widescreen
     
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