If you do decide to give them a chance, let me know what you think. Having tried them myself I was surprised to find myself enjoying them - the review I linked you is pretty spot on. For what it's worth I generally can't get away with closed back headphones. If I'd caught this discussion a couple of weeks ago I would have outright just mailed you a set of Shure SRH440 I had sat around, ended up giving them up for a charity raffle. Nobody should be subject to Creative Fatal1ty headphones.