Nvidia Silently Launches 3840 Shader Cores Nvidia TitanXp

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  1. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    The problem is, once again, that users here are looking at this from the use case of a gamer only. Titan falls in between. If you don't want to get burned in x number of months by cheaper stuff, it's simple - don't buy it.

    http://www.thinkmate.com/systems/servers/gpx/titan-x

    This is what these companies are looking at. They'll purchase 20-30 of these servers at a fraction of the cost of a Tesla system. The $600 is meaningless in that context.

    Also without knowing the actual yield % of a full GP102 the idea of Nvidia "milking" something is kind of meaningless. If they only get one or two full GP102s (which is obviously really low yield) out of a single wafer then what do you expect them to price it at? How do you know they aren't subsidizing the cost of 1080Ti's with the pricing of GP102 (P6000's/Titan X's)?

    A lot of people are making a lot of assumptions with literally no data or context for anything. What I find even more amusing is people who say that GPU's pricing is getting too expensive. 90%+ of steam gamers are running at 1080p. 1060/RX480 can play almost, if not all games currently out at 1080@60fps for $200-250. Last generation that same level of performance cost $500. For the vast majority of gamers the price to play at the highest settings with great performance halved in the last two years.

    Lol I hate them. It's a bunch of people complaining about pricing of something that they never intended to buy anyway. Nvidia should just rebrand it "Tesla Titan" or something and stop selling them to consumers.
     
  2. Asgardi

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    "Anyway that didnt take long, guess they're a bit scared of Vega :p"


    To me this looks more like they are not scared of Vega at all.
     
  3. fry178

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    Milking only works, when there is a cow (goat/sheep etc) around...

    and so far, i haven't seen ppl being forced at gunpoint to buy (certain) hardware.
     
  4. Agent-A01

    Agent-A01 Ancient Guru

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    Current Titans in no way shape or form have anything to do with Teslas.

    These are glorified 1080Tis and have no extra special instructions or functionalities over said Ti.

    At least old kepler Titans were compute monsters with double precision.
     

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    Stormyandcold Ancient Guru

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  6. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    The Tesla P40 is GP102 and it's $5500 - aside from an extra 12GB of GDDR5 and full GP102 it also has nothing over the Ti and yet there are companies that will pay $4100 for 12GB of VRAM. (No one uses ECC in DL FYI). It's not about the cost, it's about maximizing the performance given the space you have.

    Listen to the Anandtech podcast when around when the 1080 launched - I'm too lazy to find it, but Ryan Smith talks about when he was at the conference, how many vendors were coming up to him asking when the Pascal variant of the Titan X was launching. He claims the Titan's are extremely popular in the compute industry.

    The Ti launch did change things though, because it's first gamer card with the 4x INT8 performance - the 1080/1070 doesn't have that. I don't know whether the new Titan X with additional memory bandwidth/cores is worth the cost in inference training over the 1080Ti. I know some datasets are heavily dependent on total memory and memory bandwidth - which is why HBM2 is used on the higher end cards.

    I'm sure jcjohnson will have one in like a week and we'll know more about it's performance relative to the old Titan/Ti soon enough.
     
  7. -Tj-

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    Rush a product out before competition to keep the "crown" is kinda scared, also in a way to keep new potential buyers at their side.

    If that makes any sense, well it seemed a bit logic to me when I first saw this news.
     
  8. Agent-A01

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    Oh I know that VRAM is important for some applications but now that 1080Ti is out there is no incentive to spend double the price for 1gb of VRAM.

    1GB of VRAM, maybe 5-7% shader performance is a slap in the face basically.

    They should have dropped prices.
     
  9. Angrycrab

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    Good, time for AMD to step up their game.
     
  10. chispy

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    Dang ! Another Titan Xp ... keep milking your customers nvidia :infinity:

    Dat Price :eek3:
     
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    The king must remind everyone...I'm King Here!....Regardless of Cost.
     
  12. PrMinisterGR

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    That's how the Czars fell friend :D
     
  13. airbud7

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    look at the 980ti 2 years later....kicks butt!

    nvidia is the fastest by a long, long way.... no?
     
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    Still no Vega around.. sad for the prices...
     
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    Not the best analogy and I've seen AMD using the "Red Revolution" theme more and more in their marketing campaign. Maybe it'll get some people to read about the horrors of the communist regime that followed, but I doubt it. But then again, seeing how popular left and far left movements are in countries that never lived through communism, it's no surprise.

    Anyway, maybe we'll have a TitanXp2 some months down the line, this time with hbm2 memory. :p
     

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    Oh well. Looks like I'm going to shrink-wrap my original Nvidia Titan X (Pascal), return it to Nvidia, and ask for the new Titan XP card.
     
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    Nvidia stretches common sense to limit. Partners have nothing to say?I hope Vega to win or be equal. really?
     
  18. thatguy91

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    This is all about having the performance crown rather than actually being practically affordable. If you compare the stats for the Titan XP and Geforce 1080 Ti, it's almost twice the price at $1349 vs $699 RPP but looks like maybe a 10 percent peformance gain at best, and that's very generous compared to what the specss are suggesting.
     
  19. 0blivious

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    It's always been this way for "Titans". That's the absolute best GPU you can get. None of the people vilifying the existence of this card were ever going to buy it anyways. Why be concerned that it merely exists or that it's priced into the stratosphere? There are $4,000+++ CPUs available too. So what. If someone wants to make us something better and sell it for less we'd all get on board. It's far more complicated to release and price a product than some imagine.


    These companies (Nvidia, AMD, Intel) give us a fair amount of that performance for far less money. Sure, we all want better, faster gear that's priced cheaper than before, but the entitlement of tech enthusiasts is astonishing sometimes.

    If you are looking for value, you're looking in the wrong direction. Buy the mainstream gear and don't worry about the elite tech. ;-)
     
  20. Bentez

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    I think I'd rather have two 1080Ti cards for my money, really don't see the appeal of the Titans for purely gaming.

    I wish Vega would hurry up and mix things up a biit
     

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