NVIDIA Officially Apologizes - Underestimated demand for RTX 3080 FE cards

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  1. toyo

    toyo Master Guru

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    Hateful is most definitely not the correct word here. I am still surprised that in 2020, people expect corporations to act morally, instead of being driven by profit and being either amoral or immoral. Nvidia is not even that bad, even with the 970 debacle, which I consider pretty lame as a former owner. Just a few things to compensate:
    - long time driver support. My HD 4850 support was basically abandoned by AMD very early. 2008 release, 2013 - last driver, no official Windows 10 support, just Win8 (not 8.1). 5 years.
    Meanwhile my 6600GT, release year 2004, latest driver 2015, 11 years of support.
    - Gsync Compatible implemented even though it competes against their own tech
    - RTX working, badly, but working on Pascal
    Also, the 970 VRAM issue, while annoying as hell, didn't turn out to be that much of an issue in games.
    But more importantly, stop expecting corporations to be moral entities. It's really cringe seeing fanbois and "x corporation good y corporation bad".
     
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  2. Astyanax

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    They... did.....

    When asked for the reason behind the change, an NVIDIA representative stated: "For a variety of reasons - some development expense some quality assurance and some business reasons NVIDIA will not support GPU accelerated PhysX with NVIDIA GPUs while GPU rendering is happening on non-NVIDIA GPUs."
     
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  3. Neo Cyrus

    Neo Cyrus Ancient Guru

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    Those... those are bad examples.

    - AMD's architectures have changed wildly vs nVidia in that time, and IIRC nearly the entire driver team was replaced. And who here would honestly be very upset at driver support being limited to 5 years? Yeah, I'd be a bit upset if I kept cards that long, but unless I'm remembering wrong, AMD were in a situation where it made sense.
    - "GSync Compatible" wasn't charity from nVidia, they did it because they realized very few want to buy GSync monitors considering the ~+$200 it tended to add to the price tag, and was slowly costing them some sales to AMD. That and they wanted to avoid artificially blocking/denying monitor support being added to their upcoming lawsuit for anti-competitive practices.
    - RTX "working" on Pascal was 100% done to be an advertisement/nudge people into buying RTX cards. They made sure to hardcore abuse that "RTX working" performance of Pascal cards in their slides during the 3080 release. "9009x faster than a 1080 Ti! Time to upgrade Pascal users!" - Jensen Huang, not reading the fine print.
    - The 970 VRAM lie ended up causing issues in Watch Dogs for me, it'd very clearly choke when going past 3.5GB and in some drivers it just wouldn't, it'd just sit at 3.5GB because going to that 1/7th speed 512MB remaining was probably a bigger hit on those drivers than just choking at the 3.5GB cap. nVidia knew exactly what they were doing when they advertised it as a 4GB card.

    Anyway, those are just your points, I'm not going to get started on why nVidia are in fact one of the worst offenders of all time, way up there with Intel. But go ahead and ask any company that's worked with Jensen what they think of him and nVidia.
     
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  4. Icanium

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    If profit was the motive, nVidia would have put a physX card in every system that wanted one. Instead of disabled GPU PhysX if a non-Nvidia card was detected, why not just a simple warning advising customers non-nvidia cards were not supported. I can only see disabling the card as a hateful action.

    Geforce Partner Program canceled due to being misunderstood and investigated by the US Federal Trade Commission and the EuropeanCommission

    My GPU history, 12 Geforce to 2 Radeons."x corporation bad y corporation worse" so, not an AMD fanbois just a person who hates nvidias' tactics
     

  5. toyo

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    This is really naive. Increasing profit is based on statistics and estimations of what a market/customers would tolerate. It might be better financially to hurt your competitors long term and humiliate them. It might be statistically better to warn customers that venturing outside of the ecosystem is not going to be tolerated.
    You don't like these measures? That's great, I don't like them either.
    Moaning about it online won't fix it. "Vote with your wallet" won't fix it either.
    You know what will fix it? Government regulatory action and forcing the corporation to abide by specific rules that protect customers preferentially. Industry won't regulate itself and customers have almost 0 power, exemplified by Intel still being financially viable even though they have been left behind technologically for years now and their endless delays and manufacturing process mishaps are legendary by now.
    And no, Nvidia doesn't give you stuff out of the goodness of their heart, stop expecting corporations to like you. It's all calculated, obviously. And 5 years driver support is not acceptable IMO, because I like to keep my old computers. I still have at least 3 full old PCs at home, and I still have really old cards, like some 6200, 6600, 5500FX, 5200, the HD4850 I mentioned, even really old stuff from 3DFX and Intel's i740, they all still work. I prefer to have some basic driver support for as long as possible, so they can be used with a new OS if needed.
     
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    They're gonna be sold out of 3090s tomorrow real quick aren't they? Well...I'll get up early and try anyway.
     
  7. AuerX

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    You seem to have good gear so a wait shouldnt be all that bad :)

    I'm aiming for around the holidays, the way things are going..
    Really want to see some Hybrid cards too before I buy.
     
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    There is a mass hysteria underway (kind of like the iphone 4 back in the day) where every Joe or Jane Blow had to have it on day 1 of release just so they will not feel 'left out' of an important trend currently sweeping by. I guess something similar happening with Ampere cards. Ppl know they will eventually have one in a few weeks, but the only thing that matters to them is NOW.

    p.s not a dig at anyone, just general observation re Ampere 'need to have' immediately. I myself got caught up in it by trying to buy one from Nvidia store on day 1. Next day, stepped back and said " Oh fffs, to hell with it" and felt better since. :D
     
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  9. angelgraves13

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    Yeah, it's not too bad. Memory is a bit slow at 2133, but it is in quad channel. Zen 3 and faster ram will improve my overall PC performance, but for gaming at 4K, it won't change things much. Hoping to get a 3090 tomorrow, but won't be shocked if they're sold out in 1 sec.
     
  10. rm082e

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    What does that have to do with this press release? What does it have to do with the 3080 release?
     

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    They shipped a total of 10 so probably ;) /s
     
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    The issue was that a fellow guru3d member commented "I don't get the hate." (for nvidia).
    I advised nvidia actions I considered hateful and misinformation, which eventually led to you leaving me the above comments.
    I give up toyo, please tell me in your own words why there is so much hate for nVidia.
    Thank you in advance.

    Note that I was not trying to fix anything. I was simply advising some of nVidia past actions I believed contributed to an ongoing hatred for nVidia. .
     
  13. Icanium

    Icanium Ancient Guru

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    rm082e, if you are asking this question, then I misunderstood your comment.
    I thought your comment was regarding some of the post in this thread which to me indicated a pent-up hatred of nVidia. Some examples quoted below.
    "It just sounds to me like another artificial hype from Nvidia" - comment reference nVidia history.
    "Just ...makes me dislike Nvidia even more." - comment implies nVidia is already hated.
    "Indeed, more hocus pocus horseshait from Nvidia" - comment reference nVidia history
    So I posted some of the reasons for my pent-up hatred.
    nVidia press releases should be taken with a grain of nVidia history.
    3080 release? History tells me that if I wait and AMD has a competitive response, nVidia will reduce the price.
     
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    Don't remember AMD apologizing for lack of Zen 2, X570 and RDNA1 in first several months after release. Zen 2 were quite difficult to find. X570 even far more difficult. Had to wait october to buy them.
     
  15. Astyanax

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    its only a paper launch when nvidia does it.
     

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    The PhysX situation was entirely Ati's fault due to refusing to work with Nvidia on it. In-fact, this PhysX topic has been talked about extensively here and pops-up a lot on YouTube.

    The truth of the matter is Ati wanted Physx to die, where as Nvidia saw the potential in it so bought AGEIA. Nvidia offered Ati to work with them on it and they refused. End of story.

    Stop BS'ing re physx please.

    Now, I'd love to see this long list. I'll match it with one for Ati/AMD. If you're a gamer, you'll hate the red team by the end of it.
     
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/iz3j6c/not_a_huge_amd_fan_but_im_really_rooting_for_them/

    Another day another learning experience, I had no idea the memory was that attractive.

    Probably figures though plus it's less costly than cards like the Titan V back then with better performance.
    Radeon VII on AMD's side but professional software and the prevalence of CUDA since it was introduced so AMD's not a choice if that's a factor.
     
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    What distributor sell these for $2200 a piece?
     
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    The 3900X in particular was like gold dust for, what, 5 months, maybe more.
     
  20. angelgraves13

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    So...when do we get another apology for the 3090 launch?
     

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