Nvidia might overhaul GeForce GTX 1060 with GP104 (1070)

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  1. Monchis

    Monchis Maha Guru

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    I guess you are not following, but yes they are coming with native 4k games on xbox X, latest surprise would be far cry 5. I say surprise because this game is on the 30´s at that resolution on a 1070. Of course not every game is native 4k, but look at stuff like Kingdom come deliverance, the 1080ti dips into the 20´s at 1440p which is the same res the X uses.
     
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    Yes.

    Edit: Next they will sell us a 1050 ti that can SLI......
     
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  3. Fox2232

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    That's rich from someone who forms question by having "?" at end, while starting it with "You do". Because that would be very acceptable form here in Central Europe, Easter Europe, Or in Southern European countries and many others. But grammatically incorrect in English.

    Isn't it: "Do you ... ?" or "You..., don't you?"

    But in the end, understanding meaning is not in having grammatically correct text, but having experienced other languages. And will to understand over reading what you want to read.
     
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    How do you mean by "unlock accidentally"? Do you mean that people will just by one & then suddenly find it's actually got the same number of cores as a GTX 1070 - I don't think that will happen, I think NVidia will disable the cores permanently. Although there was one company recently selling CPUs or GPUs (can't remember which) that had a few units which had more cores than advertised - at the time I remember thinking that it would have been factory error rather than intentional.

    Yes, who knows what proportion of GTX 1060's on sale will be these cut-down 1070 silicon.
     

  5. Fox2232

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    I meant soft lock. Because on AMD's side, people try to unlock almost everything and with some manufacturers and production runs, they get lucky.
    If it had more than spec sheet stated out of the box, it would be too obvious. People have to either mod vBIOS or just flash 1070 in there.
     
  6. tensai28

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    Yeah once again...not happening even if they say that because it's technologically impossible and doesn't make the least bit of sense. It's all a marketing gimmick.
     
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    Ok meta please relax the issue if we can call it that is so minor not worth to get worked over that mate !

    fox got what i meant .

    Anyway let me word it diferently!
    There is absolutly no problem what so ever using the gp204 for a 1060 variant ,every single product in cpus / gpus we have other than the top end are lower binned products often with disabled cores / shaders etc etc ! This is great drives the final cost down of every cpu/gpu for example the ryzen cpus out of the same waffers they made pretty much a whole line up now if they where throwing away anything that can not become a 1800x prices would have been waaaaay higher ! My only AND only issue is that they should name it slightly diferently in my opinion as they should have done with the 1060 3gb version also.

    And i gues yes the way we word things can be puzzling at times! English is indeed not my native language (i am greek)
     
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    Yes, I see what you mean now, perhaps that will be case, we'll see, and I think this use of GTX 1070 silicon is a rumour as it currently stands, I don't think it's confirmed & may not even happen.
     
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    You're wrong. Also, it's Eastern, not Easter. Two completely different things.
     
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    Man, that's regular typo. I make worse at 6AM. Otherwise I would do same thing to "Southern", which I did not. And it is actually saying something. Not about me...

    I say: "You're wrong." I do not feel like explaining where you are wrong either.
     

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    Nvidia really is getting up to some weird stuff lately.
     
  12. Monchis

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    Not at all, the X has 30% more bandwidth than a 1070, video cards just need to step up their game.
     
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    Once again doesn't make sense. How much does it cost? ~200us? So a whole system for half the price of a 1070ti and yet people are still buying video cards and pc hardware. Yeah..we must be all crazy.
    In all seriousness, there were a lot of corners cut just like any other console.
     
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    Previous any other consoles never were able to touch resolutions where your $700-$1000 card is struggling to hold 60fps... but you don´t see the problem. Myself I hope gpu manufacturers can lay down the milking machine for a moment and build $150 cards that can smash console resolutions again.
     
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    I've seen advertisements for both the 3gb and 6gb version. Playing devils advocate here but AMD isn't so innocent in this field either...
     
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    Just saw this thread. They probably got more of the GP104 (wafers) available than GP106, so instead of making new ones they try to out this as a newer (in simple minded people's perception thus "better") cards. Probably just laser cut chips.
    It's just marketing, if the specs remain the same, it's not a big deal. Much fuzz about nothing until really new GPUs come around, probably trying to keep up presence in people's minds.

    Again this is just something for people obscessed with what's written on the box and not how it performs... since this won't change much at all.
     
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    And if this rumor is true they will be named 1060, even though they should be named 1065.
    I guess it could be worse. Could be Intel. They take the cake by a wide margin.
     
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    (same specs as GTX 1060, same performance, same name).
     
  19. Monchis

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    For once they could leave some extra cuda cores enabled and name it the same.

    Ps.- With faster memory too :p
     
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    No need to think that cutting chips is magic. It will have different thermal profile and OC potential will be different too.

    Because you can't do 100% gating of everything. And because even with same building blocks, 1060 and 1070 have different block diagram, bit different size of each block. And while blocks are hand made, those transistors inside are positioned by AI in design phase to be most efficient within given limits.

    GTX 1070 has 22.93M transistors per mm^2, GTX 1060 has 22M transistors per mm^2.

    You can compare 120W TDP GTX 1060 3GB based on GTX1070 which has less enabled functional blocks than regular 120W TDP GTX 1060 6GB , and performs worse.
    In a way nVidia is already turning GTX 1070s into GTX 1060s, just more crippled.
     

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