NVIDIA keynote and GeForce RTX 40 GPU / DLSS 3.0 announcements

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  1. Typhon Six Six Six

    Typhon Six Six Six Member Guru

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    2009 was great. The HD 5870 2X the performance of a GTX280. Your right about the drivers tho... LOL back then.
     
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    Good to know. Thanks.
     
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  3. Astyanax

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    Vertex fog broken on GCN (D3D9)
    Portal shadows broken RDNA
    Shank 2 / MotN transparencies broken (RDNA)
    Video decoding green screens (RDNA2)
    Removed cross-vendor OpenGL extensions used by retail games while making their own faster. (RDNA2)


    AMD drivers are not better, they are perceivably worse, but probably equally as cluster^@&!ed.

    didn't see this posted yet

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  4. pegasus1

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    Fast everywhere or just in RT, thats my only concern as my most played games dont do RT
     

  5. Maddness

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    If you're talking about the 4090, then the specs alone say this card will be fast.
     
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    I agree but by how much in real world games compared to the 3090Ti/6900xt. Considering the probably required upgrades needed elseware like new block and new PSU, how fast does it need to be to justify the fuckerage of upgrading the otherstuff.
     
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  7. Denial

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    Looks like it would be about 50% faster than a 3090Ti in traditional (nonDLSS/RT) games if the Nvidia slides are even remotely accurate.

    I wouldn't have to upgrade anything to switch to it.

    I actually think the 4090 is good purchase at that price. Performance uplift seems decent. Massive chip on a brand new node, price is justified. 4070/4080 on the other hand are abysmal. The 4070 looks like its barely faster than a 3090Ti.. in some cases slower. The 4080 is like crazy priced.. $1200 and it's at best 30-35% faster than my $700, 2 year old 3080 in Non-RT/DLSS titles. That's a terrible price to performance upgrade.
     
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    I expect them to be fast in every situation, not just on RT.

    Otherwise, this series are going to be major disappointment, because the 3000 series were released 2 years ago!...

    I agree.

    The 4090 is the only justifiable purchase at this point. It`s expensive has hell but it`s going to perform like a beast and the 3090ti is not that much expensive.

    The 4080`s are a joke.

    The 16gb version is simply too expensive, much better to spend a "little" more and get the 4090.

    As for the 4070 pretending to be a 4080, what can i say that others have not said already... This is a 499 card going for almost double the price...
     
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    AMD, give us open-source Reflex now. You chose to underestimate it for two years, and now it's part of DLSS 3. Fail.
     
  10. pegasus1

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    Il be interested to see how the 4090 stacks up against the 3090Ti and 6900xt in non-RT, then il make my decision.
    For me, the price isnt a red line (relative to performance), its more the jump on performance.
     

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    I think an 8pin can do more than 150w and i think the PCIe slot can do more than 75w.

    I have a 2 x 8pin 3090 and that means 375w but i've seen this card pull 420w so either it's wrong on GPU-Z or it can pull more if needed.
     
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    i'm a bit afraid by the prices, 3090 was announced MSRP 1200$ ended up paying 1700euros, if they announce 1500$ for 4090... well...
     
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    NVIDIA stated that the 4090 comes with a 4 x 8pin adaptor if you do not have an ATX 3.0 pcie5 PSU and the new GPU plugs.
     
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    So for the 4090 that's 675w holy crap.

    I also think Nvidia has gone balls deep into this new DLSS 3.0 tech, well at least it's not DX13 as i think 3000 owners will get DLSS 3.0 but just not that Optical Flow Accelerator part.
     
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    "Can" however both are only rated for 150 and 66 on 12v, higher is out of spec and risks failing pcie validation.
     

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    Portal has broken DX9 even for NVidia. That is why has Vulkan support these days instead of DX9.
    Video Decoding green screens is also an Nvidia issue. I don't see you though mentioning it not stopping people from working. (have you looked at the NV forums?)

    And can list about the rest but not bothering.

    I will say only this. ONLY NVIDIA cripples with drivers a 3 month old GPU to reduce performance so it can sell the same GPU with better memory.
    This is what happened with the GTX1080 back in October 2016 when it was preparing the GTX1080 11Gbps launched alongside the 1080Ti.

    I know that because had the card back then and was involved in heavy overclocking (through the custom curve) and benching as saw a drop in bench numbers with all drivers after September 2016. Rolling back to August drivers the performance came back.

    Or many Freesync monitors like the XL2730Z couldn't run at 144hz only 100hz with Nvidia cards up until 2020. Took Nvidia 5 years to fix this. The thread at the official forums was hundreds of pages long.
     
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    The only thing they would earn out of this is degrading the brand "DLSS 3.0" with underwhelming quality on rtx30XX and below
     
  18. Reddoguk

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    Nvidia will update 2 of the 3 components of DLSS and call it DLSS 2.5 or something for 3000 owners. This will leave the 3.0 branding for 4000 series.
     
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    But that IS the point; they want to confuse the average consumer into thinking "oh an $100 increase in MSRP for upgrading from the 3080 12GB to 4080 12GB is pretty reasonable" when in reality the 4080 12GB is a xx70 tier card and upgrade to true successor of the 3080 card is now an extra $400. Scummy marketing move.
     
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  20. Crazy Serb

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    I don't think reflex will help that much if real framerate is 30 fps. Especially when we consider that DLSS (and FSR obviously) so far are just using older tech in 1 package (TAA+upscaling+sharpening) and inherited all of the issues.
    While interpolation works, I it is hard to expect that games will be playable due to input lag. It would require massive overhaul of render pipeline (if that is even possible considering image needs to be rendered first) to make it feel like displayed fps...
     

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