NVIDIA keynote and GeForce RTX 40 GPU / DLSS 3.0 announcements

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  1. nizzen

    nizzen Ancient Guru

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    Maybe DLSS 3.0 need more performance, so it's impossible or same as 2.0 on 30 series cards anyway?
    DLSS 3.0 is faster because it uses WAY faster hardware
     
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    Wow 1500€ for a 4080 is beyond even my worst pessimistic predictions. (Not counting 12GB version as it's completely different specs - rebranded 4070)
     
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    not even gona touch gpu at those prices, i bet even xx60 prices are gona be just bad, but one can hope
     
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    nVidia bastards. I wonder how close the 4080 12GB is to the 3080 in terms of performance.
    We need those numbers (no I don't buy that marketing crap, doesn't tell anything about the real world performance)
     

  5. Undying

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    4060 at 499$ with 8gb vram. Cant wait. :D
     
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    If it's too expensive for EVGA, shouldn't that clue you into why everyone is moaning? Nvidia themselves is where all the profits are going, and I'm sure they figured the profit margin was only going to get bigger.
    It has been explained in another thread that pricing has traditionally not been proportionate with performance increase. There are times when Nvidia had significant leaps in performance but pricing maybe only went up a small amount, if even went up at all.
    If Nvidia intends to just shift the performance tiers down a couple notches, where for example a 4050 non-Ti becomes a solid 1440p 60FPS GPU (without DLSS) and has a price tag below $300 then perhaps there's nothing to gripe about. But judging by the looks of things, it looks like everything is going to be overpriced, regardless of what it can do.
     
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  7. tunejunky

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    technically lovely and goes toe to toe with M2 for circuit density.

    like everyone is saying the pricing is insane which only means (besides "greed" which can't be quantified) the yield is crap.
    i'm taking as a given the increased onboard power means more/better VRMs and thicker pcb. then you add in the TSMC "tax" for this node...
    so yes, more expensive but not enough for the MSRP.

    whether the early adopters gobble these up really depends on the hands on reviews. the fanboys are buying anyways, but early adopters vastly outnumber them.
    these are a lot of card to handle and unless you either have solar or live where electricity is cheap the ongoing cost of use and maintenance will be significant particularly if you go with an Intel proc.

    to me this leaves an opening in the market for AMD to come right in.
    regardless of whether or not AMD has ultimate supremacy this gen, we know that it will be superior to Ampere. i don't doubt the 7900XT will be expensive but i'm pretty darn sure AMD will play games with the price point to be well below the 4090 and so on.
     
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    Considering nVidias Gross Margin was at 67% Q1 (it's down a bit now in Q2, sure) I wouldn't exactly say they sell the chips at no profit.
     
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  9. Dragam1337

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    Except for the 4090, which i honestly expected would have been priced higher. It's the only gpu in the 4000 lineup that makes sense, and im preordering a 4090 strix as soon as they go live.
     
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    Yes, that does seem like a super scummy move... cause obviously it will run on turing and ampere aswell...
     

  11. tunejunky

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    this is just a simple builder's rant:

    all of the AIB versions to date are all four slot solutions, this sucks slimy slugs.
    just when there are finally three slot ITX cases on the market.
    plus, forgive me for being old enough to want my PCIe slots for anything other than a GPU.
    if AMD comes with the same approach (doubtful) i'll say the same thing
     
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    Anybody that paid £2500 for a 3090 will be more than happy with a 4090 for half that. I paid nearly £1500 for a 6900xt, didnt bother me as it was the price when i bought it, if it did bother me then guess what, i wouldnt have bought it.
    Why doesnt anybody have an issue if somebody pays £10 for a packet of cigeretts and £7 for a pint, both of which go up in price constantly, but screem NOOOOOOOOOOOO if somebody id happy to spend coin on a new GPU.
     
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    If the game is using dlss3 is it possible turing/ampere owners are left behind not being able to use it at all? So you'd have to have rtx40 gpu.
     
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    They would get the benefits of DLSS 2 and not the interpolation feature.

    How do you know that to be the case? You have a fixed amount of time to run the tensor operations, get the result and spit it out or else you're not improving framerates. The new chips have nearly 4x the tensor performance as ampere. How do you know that performance isn't required to perform both the DLSS 2.0 operations and the interpolation?

    To be clear I'm not saying that ampere/turing can't get this feature.. just that merely supporting tensors doesn't mean you get limitless features on them. Running tensor operations has a cost and you can obviously run way more with significantly faster hardware which may enable more effects/features simultaneously.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, it's not ITX anymore if you need 3 slots. Might as well just save yourself some money and go micro ATX since those boards are cheaper and those cases have more room. And you're going to need the room because there's not likely to be many SFX PSUs that can power this.

    As for AMD, in the past when they went overkill with power draw, they just did an AIO cooler. I think that makes more sense than this 4-slot nonsense.
     
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    They even run ads on the video? Just wow.
    I was looking to 4070, to replace 1080Ti, but not anymore, thanks Nvidia.
     
  17. Mineria

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    Had to check that, holy crap, guess I'm done with getting any future games that will require the horsepower, might even end up saying frack gaming.
     
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  18. Undying

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    You can still do it next year. Im also thinking replacing 2080super with 4070 but as things are going it will priciest x70 class gpu ever produced.
     
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    the price difference between 80 and 90 models is crazy compared to 30 series, but they aren't stupid as people were buying at triple msrp just a while ago, so why not? i wonder what actual 4070 price and specs could possibly be? a cut down 104 chip with 160bit 10gb, or 12gb gddr6 non x 192bit, they would be pissing on us with less than 12 gb
     
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