Nvidia is deliberately downgrading kepler gpu's performance in favor of Maxwell.

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce Drivers Section' started by Angrycrab, May 18, 2015.

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  1. Glottiz

    Glottiz Master Guru

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    PC gaming is on the rise last 5 years or so, there have been a lot of people who converted from consoles to PC gaming.

    I think it's part of the problem why there have been so many complaints about performance from people with subpar systems demanding to play all latest games at ultra graphical settings and 60fps. These people were fed information from various mainstream gaming websites how you can build PC more powerful than consoles for the price of consoles and play all games maxed/nearly maxed out. These ex-console gamers also got taken by surprise by how quickly PC hardware becomes dated, because they were used to 8-10 year console cycles.

    I hope they will learn and understand PC platform better with time, but for now we have to endure their bitching and whining how they can't play all games maxed out with 970 which will soon be 2 years old, or even more comically, 770/750Ti.
     
  2. Just to be clear, I was agreeing with your statement, Ieldra, that older graphics cards need to turn down/off certain effects and/or resolution in order to maintain a good framerate. /end
     
  3. Ieldra

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    Yeah I got you haha, I was being serious too.

    Benchmarking all games at max settings isn't the best idea maybe, I'm not saying bring back 720p in benchmark reviews, but at least have a 1080p High/Medium test for four year old hardware.
     
  4. Dragondale13

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    Then you'll probably feel suicidal reading Geforce driver forums.I honestly think people troll over there jus for the fk of it and to piss off Sora.
     

  5. dr_rus

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    Well, lots of people like to OC their cards past the stability limits and when a new driver comes out and ups the utilization of the GPU it starts to halt under load. So there's nothing strange here, it's not like only you have a h/w which may be pushed above it's limit.

    Note that you didn't even say that you've tried running the game at stock speeds to check if that's OC that is the reason for these crashes.

    I haven't played much of The Division but an hour or so that I had I didn't have any issues on the latest drivers. So unless that issue is some place specific or you have to play for several hours to run into it - it sounds like your local issue and not the issue of the drivers or the game itself.

    Why do you think so? A GP104 GPU of a die size somewhere in the middle between GK104 and GM204 should contain approx. 4000 SPs which if ran at 1500 MHz would give it 12TFlops of processing power which is nearly two times more than what 980Ti have - and that's omitting whatever architectural optimizations Pascal will have above Maxwell.

    I think that both GM200 and Fiji will be EOLed by the end of the summer.
     
  6. Stormyandcold

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    Each in-game effect will cost fps.

    Running a GTX 900 series card though and COD:BO3 for example; these features aren't that costly on the latest hardware.
     
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    Who said im suffering? Sure, i'll make you an offer to make room for the pascal when it comes out.
     
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    Ironic you used a puke emote I pictured you on your knees when I read you saying this. Got a Titan Black in your wallet and in ur mouf and now you want us to waste 2000(think it was on deal once for 600 but what it gets 1 more fps than 980ti). I can still play primal with 780 SLI why I need to pay 1200 bucks or as much as 2000 for yours for 30 more fps than I already got. And while a few good looking games have come out none of them are online mulitplayer performance games and so there is no reason to upgrade now(sorry pal blew your load too early(god ur gen is so faggoty hard to even insult you cause hell theres a 50 50 chance you really are gay with u nuts(tv brainwashed you now your all homos and support homo marriage(cause theres nothing wrong with jacking off to tranny porn... your not gayist are you, bro(gateway term for homosexuality)?)) cause you got no patience that comes with experience timing hardware). Maybe Doom 4 will be a game that could have a use of an upgrade but we'll have to see when it gets here. Really the last game to upgrade for was Crysis 3 but it died from cheating online even Adam Sessler called it the best game of 2013 and I agree(sure this whole forum of nerds disagrees). Anyway, please stop telling people to make bad decisions with money because your young and this is the first time you attempted anything close to a god box.

    BTW I am sure nvidia is gimping older cards while making strides with newer cards in the drivers. Definitely anything after 361.91 at this point is slower with 780 series or weaker than a 980, maybe with the 980Ti you get 1 or 2 frames more. I dont think its a matter of neglect of older cards in the universal drivers either I think that certain parts of the driver are card specific but there is another part that is universal across all the cards and it is this part that is tuned for the latest card and bogs the older ones. Either nvidia should do away with universal drivers or make sure that every update(or at least closer to this) every card gets faster with every driver. Cards should definitely be supported for 4 years and if not then they should tell us the best driver or the last driver that should be used for a certain series. Nvidia is doing allot behind the scenes with drivers they can add security to block hypersli that no one even notices in one or 2 driver releases but they cant test their drivers before release to make sure each release is faster? I don't believe it they have been making drivers so long that this process shouldnt even need to be tested each driver forever should be faster or a new one shouldnt be released till it is.
     
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  10. CalculuS

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    ROFL this guy jumped from 780 SLI - This generation - Trannies

    what the hell is going on :bigsmile:
     

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    This is one of his more sensible posts :p
     
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    Havent read the whole thing but i think somewhere in that wall of text he's trying to insult me lol:banana:

    I'll admit, even tho being insulted i found his first paragraph very humorous
    :peeright::puke::puke2:
     
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    You're sure because you've seen the benchmarks showing this which you will link us to now or?..
     
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    Apparently he hasn't tested fallout 4. The 780 struggles on ultra due to the tessellation and physx nvidia loaded into the game. Strangly enough a single 980 performs great.

    A titan black isnt the only card i own, but quite a few ranging from amd and nvidia.

    Pascal is going to be interesting. But either way, folks will buy it because nvidia marketing tactics are just as good as ubisoft.:puke2:
     
  15. tsunami231

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    people still think they downgrading kelpler??

    To me performance seem the same to me then again, I only play Swtor and Skyrim, I dont have any recent games. and they both play the same as when I first got the card.

    Swtor runs like crap cause the engine is carp and skyrim for most part runs butter smooth @ 60 short of the rare occasion to many thing happen on screen where it dips and start to stutter.
     

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    Also i've noticed, that this thread has gone from analyzing how nvidia is undoubtedly crippling the previous architecture when a new series is announced...

    To nonsense about deep pockets, homosexuals and brainwashing. Honestly this can get very funny or very out of hand.

    Funny is good tho.
     
  17. narukun

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    It is crippling, its obvious just checking the benchmarks in the new games, come on, they're not that "visual stunning" or huge polygons on screen + most of the games that Kepler runs well are from previous generation consoles (2005 hardware). So WTF?.
     
  18. Ieldra

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    So because it doesn't seem visually stunning to you, and you don't think there are "huge polygons on screen" nvidia is crippling Kepler.

    Something about last gen consoles and 2005 hardware.

    You're not much better than coldflo, at least he has some charisma.
     
  19. squalles

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    well... 361.91 and 362.00 give me a best performance so far to my old kepler gtx 670
     
  20. narukun

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    Thats business, technology its growing up really fast and companies dont want you to stay with 3 or more years without buying, so they have to do something about it. Its like buying a phone you never will be at date and they use to never update to newer android software in capable phones just to force people to change phone if you want the latest android version. If you dont want to think like that, its fine, most people dont and just keep buying.
     
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