Nvidia is deliberately downgrading kepler gpu's performance in favor of Maxwell.

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  1. ViperXtreme

    ViperXtreme Ancient Guru

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    well, at least mine improved, i only play at 30fps lock on my lowly card and there are still areas that bring my fps down to 23-25fps (particularly crossroad inn in velen). Now its gone and have some performance to spare.
     
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    it is trolling
     
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    LMAO, Would you be a previously banned member? You seem to know a lot about me for just having 4 posts.
     
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    ^His specs made me laugh.

    You're the shill with your 780ti's and he's claiming to have four Titan X in his rig.

    Clearly faked but no less ironic.
     

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    Since you'll be getting free 980Ti and Titan X, can I have your 780Ti SC? :nerd:
     
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    No, it's not. Your posts on the other hand do seem like trolling.
     
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    Well it would appear that your question has been answered. It was because of driver optimizations not because Kepler's architecture.

    Seriously though you were the guy trying to argue that 780 ti is slower than a 970, give me a break.

    How about this, prior to this driver both my gpus were at 100 percent usage, I was getting 60 to 70 fps. With this new driver I am getting 70 to 80 fps. The opening scene of the game I am hitting 100 to 120 fps, whereas before i was at 70 fps, that's with both gpu usage at 100 percent.

    This is with "technology less suited for new workloads, with more compute, higher bandwidth requirements and heavier DX11+ usage." The only troll is you.


    You want to know why I knew this was all nvidia's doing? Because witcher 3 doesn't look anything spectacular, especially compared to playing tomb raider 2013 all maxed with 2xssaa tressfx enabled in 3d gaming 60 fps.

    Kepler may be a older architecture, but it sure is fast enough to be playing console ports. There hasn't been any games that have released that have the visual makeup for me to believe that a 780 ti can't play it.

    (In my opinion)What happened was nvidia crippled kepler in order to make the 980 appear like an actual upgrade, when in fact its always been a side step. Now with the 980 ti being released they don't need to cripple kepler because the 980 ti is actually a faster card. Now Nvidia will push titan X and 980 ti. GTX 980 does not make sense anymore due to 980 ti being only 100 dollars more.
     

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    Kepler architecture rely on driver optimization. So you could say that it is down to Kepler architecture that it is performing worse without specific driver optimizations - and this was pretty much known on Kepler launch when they said that they moved scheduling to software which allowed them to save a lot of transistors. Nothing is free in this world. Same applies to Maxwell as well by the way.

    I'll give you a break if you'll learn to read first, how about that?

    Your opinion looks salty. It's no wonder that NV is spending time optimizing for Maxwell right now. In some cases the lack of optimization may show up on Kepler. And it's pretty clear that they won't optimize Kepler anymore since most of Kepler chips are already EOL. Maxwell is up against AMD's GPUs, not Kepler.
     
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    GTX Titan-Z most powerful card in Witcher 3 / GTA 5 and 99% other games. And it is just Kepler :) he trolling again with his low-end crap) cuted maxwell not have a good performance with new games compare more powerfull cards (kepler), true - it is cuted maxwell have a cheating from nvidia with his hidden driver setting, cuted maxwell (970/980) have a some bad limited graphics, compare full graphics on kepler, and cuted maxwell got his fps. But, i record kepler sli video with witcher 3 maxedout 4K 30-35 fps, how many fps got 980/970 sli in this story, and how good his picture? Just if i look review i see 980sli have 30-35 fps, but its not OCed. And all about maxwell tesselation etc - it is just a merketing fake, if talking about it seriously, just look gameworks sdk - not have any kepler optimisation, more transistors more power, not long time ago.
    super translation :D
    check this out:
    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,25.html
    cuted maxwell ("cuted graphics optimise") compared kepler (true full graphics) with optimisations. maxwell not super ;)
    when AMD begin sales AMD Fiji - i go buy CrossFireX. Never buy cuted nvidia with cuted support.
     
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    Have fun. Btw, there is no proper CF support for Witcher 3 yet.

    Also, do u have a 4K monitor ? Otherwise, driver downsampling also doesn't work yet properly for AMD cards.

    I switched very recently from 2x7970 to 2x970. Primarily because of better software support. Having no proper driver downsampling sucks if the game has no good anti-aliasing. And CF profiles were very often late for games published in the last 6 months, thereas NVIDIA often had decent SLI support on release day. DX11 draw call performance is also much worse for AMD drivers which can make a big difference in some games (e.g. pCars).

    I wished AMD were more competitive for the benefit of all gamers. But their current hardware is too power hungry (=noisy) and their software lacks features and regular updates.

    Performance of the 2x970s @ 1500Mhz (max boost) @ 4K + Hairworks is about 30-40fps (some dips to mid twenties in scenes with closeups of Geralds hair, lol).

    One feature NVIDIA drivers should have (as AMD drivers offers) is the selectable tesselation factor. Lowering that would probably take care of the hairworks performance problems in Witcher 3.
     
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    A week of not being able to run crossfire without fullscreening was enough to put me off my AMD cards. **** that. Maximized windowed mode or gtfo. There are too many games that take too long to alt tab from fullscreen, don't alt tab gracefully or have other issues tabbing out, for me to want to deal with that **** again.

    And yes I mention this anytime someone says IM GOING AMD because I would have never gone that route if I'd known this was the case. Who doesn't tab out of games these days?
     
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    Coincidence that the Keplar fix was released the night before 980Ti launch so all the benchmarks released for 980Ti show it as a huge improvement over a 780Ti?

    /Removes tin foil hat.
     

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    No need to show how big an improvement the 980 ti is, as it is an actual improvement over the 780 ti, unlike the 980, which needed to be artificially boosted to be better than the 780 ti.

    Honestly, the 980 becomes completely irrelevant now.
     
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    but the 980 has more vram, surely that counts.

    Artificially boosted? The 980 is faster than the 780ti in pretty much ever game chart and every benchmark. You're talking out of your arse again.
     
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    Guys, I think it's trying to communicate :roll:
     
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    You probably should give him a break. He is obviously using Google translate and copying and pasting. What I don't get is why he is in a English speaking forum, when clearly its not his native language. Perhaps he is taking English classes and trying to learn. *shrug*
     
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    This thread needs to be locked.. its not going anywhere.
     
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