Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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  1. Xzibit

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    Remember 9000 series from Nvidia ... nice rebranding!
     
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    As far as i can tell, AMD were the first to do it across the board, from mid-range right up to enthusiast cards.
    Nvidia may of done it first, but AMD were the worst, but im pretty sure they had to when they realized the 6990 was only going to be a small amount faster than the 6970.

    Anyhoo, here is some stuff stolen from another thread, but here we go again with 10new threads being created a day.
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    http://vr-zone.com/articles/report-n...ked/10202.html

    I think it would be funny if the GTX580 ended up slower/cheaper/cooler than a 6970, don't really think it will, but would be interested to see if all the AMD people ditched price/performance and if the Nvidia fanboys embraced it while screaming about how they prefer cool quiet cards:wanker:
     
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    im not overreacting, almost every single one of you bitched about AMD's rebranding. LOL you just did it again now in the post above.

    And not to mention at least 4-5 threads about this naming scheme...

    But still the biggest joke is this 580gtx name,.. its what 480gtx should have been and that clearly doesn't justify it to be a "next-gen" gpu, now does it..
     
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    Actually the mistake Nvidia made with 9000 series name was that they applied it a bit late. The 8800GT and 8800GTS 512 should have been the 9 series from the start. These cards were a good 35-40% more powerful than the 8800gts 320/640 mb cards just before them. That sort of performance equates to new gen cards, even if its die-shrunk old gen architecture.
     

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    I never bitched about it, i just mentioned it.
    I don't care that they did it, i understand why, but im not going to ignore or not mention that they did it either, and most of the threads complaining about the naming scheme were from confused/disgruntled ATI/AMD owners.

    The 6870 doesn't justify its new name either if you look at it that way, and neither will the 6970 either, the amount of time people have spent moaning about the name of a card, rather than the performance is ridiculous, especially on a tech forum such as this.
    If the GTX580 is what the GTX480 should of been originally and arrives faster than a 6970, AMD, and probably all of us from a pricing point of view should count themselves lucky Nvidia couldn't make it work 12months ago.
     
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    OT I know, but I thought the new cards got named 6xxx series because its another line up

    like 6850, 6870, 6970, 6990 and what ever else they come out with would be just as confusing to give 5xxx names...
     
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    Don't think anyone minded the 6xxx bit, it was the 5830-6850 and 5850-6870 that some minded, even Charlie at SA got tore into AMD for doing it.
    TBH i think given the performance they gave at the price they sold at, the names were justified, but i don't take the name of a card as serious as some people it appears:3eyes:

    Reading over the leaked stuff, i think i would like to see the 6970 be faster with DX9/10 games, and the GTX580 faster with DX11, as it would mean Nvidia would throw money at dev's to add DX11 support, so we would likely get more games, and as much as patched in DX11 isn't ideal, its still better than a straight DX9 console port.
     
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    Well if they are aiming to match atis offerings with the 6870 replacing the 5770 and matching 5850 for the most part, and the 6850 matching 5830, they'll have to do 570 matching 480 and then a little more.

    But hell if they did do it, it would be exciting times for us consumers, especially those of us on a budget. I was almost definitely getting 6870 this month but if I could get 470 performance for 460 price here in NZ that would be amazing.

    Has there been any rumors of other cards in the 5xx series?


     
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    o yes it does, mostly its based on new Northern Islands architecture and its improved in every aspect compared to 5000 series. Why would you want to call it 5xxx..

    But what's by 580gtx, yes finally... a fully working 512sp gpu, wow yes very impressive but wait there is more!! they added few texture units so it doesn't suck against 480gtx, also they took 460gtx process approach so it doesn't heat up as much,. Yea true next-gen it deserves a new name, you're right wow nvidia ownz!! go buy 3.
     
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    580 has a better ring to it for sales.
    Besides if they are doing a whole step series like ati is doing before we get a real refresh then you have to assume a mid and low range card also so a new number works better otherwise you have gtx 485, gtx 475 and opps we already have a 465. Although tbh I don't know why they don't skip the 570 considering the 460s performance, actually the 465 is the ugly duckling.

    6870 is very confusing, mind you it's performance is so far above a 5770 (that it is really replacing that they really should have been 6850 and 6830 cards, although thats not entirely fair to the 5850 or the 6850 as it doesn't seem like that much of an upgrade (or even at all yet) )


     

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    Yeah, and the 6970 is a next gen upgrade for a 5970:puke2:, they are both full of sh1t, and we all know it would of been called the GTX485 if AMD hadn't released the 6k cards.:puke2:

    The hypocrisy is hilarious.

    5870-6870 - less power, less performance = Great, True Next Gen
    5870-6970 more power, more performance = Great, True Next Gen
    GTX480-GTX580 less power, more performance = Terrible, Not Next Gen.

    Ah, i do get a good laugh on here sometimes:banana:
     
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    so true.. all the reviews of the 6870 and 6850 say its a improved cypress if anything.. sure they fixed a couple of things and made a new die.. but so did nvidia with the GF110 over GF100..

    then why is gf110 not named GTX485 but instead GTX580? for the same reason barts was named 6870 and 6850 instead of 5860 and 5840 (going by performance).. they are no more next gen than the GF110.

    besides if 40% extra perf over 5870 in over a year makes 6970 next gen then its fair to call GF110 nextgen with 20% extra perf over GTX480 in 7 months.
     
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    This is what I refered to in my previous post, inserting a new line up into an existing line up like that would be stupid imo.

    so we'd have 5840, 5850, 5860, 5870 even tho the 5840/5860(6850/6870) has a different codename? Thats just more confusing to anyone than simply dubbing them 6xxx. Not to mention where you'd insert the 6970/6990 and any other cards they come out with.
     
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    LOL

    5770 - 6870 = huge upgrade $100 less vs a 470 here and giving it a run for its money performance wise, it is a big deal when the top of the low end is competing with the middle of the pack highend cards and it is great for us.

    Don't worry dude it is confusing, although not as confusing as the 8800, 9800, 250. Or the 280 - 480 home heating unit.

    Point is fan boys will be fan boys. And am has found a tricky little way to market their cards (not as tricky as 88 - 98 mind you) and of course Nvidia will copy, they may state that they had to because Amd did but in reality they probably would have done it anyway.

    Problem with fan boys is that they would rather pay $1000 to have the top end of their company thats better than everyone else's rather than have more competition, cheaper cards and better performance. Guess what dude nvidia doesn't care about you, they just want your cash, over and over and over again.

    I do have a confession to make: I prefer nvidia, but if the best price/performance is a 6870 thats where my money is going.

    And don't forget Nvida claims the 480 was released in 2009... so more than 7 months.

    So back on topic, will this be a whole step series??? 560 sounds like my cup of tea!


     
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    The performance numbers posted by TheHunter don´t anything special if the 580 is only slightly faster than the 6970 but they make me wonder what would have happened if Nvidia managed somehow to release this a year ago...
     
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    This as the 480 and the 460 as itself....

    Would have been a disaster for all of us, amd would have been stuck purely as low end for some time and prices would have stagnated nice and high, exactly how nvidia wants them to be. And we'd only just be starting to see the 460 price/performance now instead of months ago. We are seeing the spoils or their war.



     
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    Did i see someone sulking lol.

    st0nez, well here the GTX470 is cheaper than a 6870, only by about £10-15 though, and the 1gb GTX460 can be picked up slightly cheaper than a 6850, with the 768mb GTX460 being alot cheaper than the 6850, so thankfully here you can make a choice without price being a huge concern.

    I also agree it would of been worse for all of us if Nvidia managed to get this out a year ago, if this turned up last winter this much faster, and with this power consumption, AMD would of been driven down to tiny margins to be competitive, which could of ended them, and im sure my GTX460 would of cost me alot more, as would other peoples 470/480, so it turned out for the best for everyone other than Nvidia that it went tits up.

    Serves them right though, it was clearly too ambitious, and they were obviously a touch arrogant to try it.
     
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    All will be fine, just wait for new information!
     

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