NVIDIA Confirms G-Sync Ultra HD HDR monitors will launch this month

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  1. Moonbogg

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    Do you guys expect marketing dishonesty? I do. I expect people to make games that look worse on purpose with HDR switched off. When you ask the devs why you can't try the HDR mode with your regular monitor, they will have some pretty creative excuses. Truth is, the image will look almost the same, lol. I bet you this tech is gimmicky as hell. If its badass I'll replace my PG348Q, but its going to take some serious bling to make me replace this bad boy cause this thing kicks ass all over the place.
     
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    HDR has expanded color range/contrast - your current monitor is literally incapable of producing the color and brightness of an image that's mastered for HDR. That's not a creative excuse, it's just physics.
     
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    Lot of fancy words right there. Tell me you haven't seen the comparison pictures that someone took of an SDR vs HDR monitor side by side where the HDR monitor looked way cleaner, brighter and better. I have seen those pics. The thing is, I saw them on MY MONITOR and the HDR version looked obviously cleaner and much better. It was "mastered" or created, to look better than the SDR version, lol. How can you not pick up on this BS? These monitors use VA panels. How much more AMAZING can they be vs a high end IPS? Explain. Go ahead. The only thing they have is a uniform backlight that turns up to 1000 nits. What else do they have that's so ground breaking?
     
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    16.7 million colors ought be enough for anybody.
     

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    Those pictures are doctored to emphasize the difference for marketing purposes because otherwise you'd just show two pictures that look identical. It's like marketing pictures that show 1080P as blurry and the 4K variants as super clear, or 60hz vs 144hz - unless you own an HDR display you're not going to see the benefits of HDR in a picture.

    Also I already explained, they have expanded color and contrast due to the brightness requirements.

    https://ittiam-m164o0rm0kqhby.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/CEI1931-colorspace.png
     
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    Will white text look better over a black back ground? VA already has good contrast as it is. I'm just wondering how much magic those 1" spaced LED back lights can really do for fine details. The whole point (IMO) of HDR is the ability to have fine details explode off the screen with perfect contrast. 1" spaced lights shining behind your image is not going to do that. Its ONE INCH OF SPACING. That is not exactly finely detailed, lol. One inch dude. One. Whole. Inch.
     
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    We need more 65" monitors. Smart TV's are really pants. Early smart tv's had slow processors and later ones come with Android. All I want is a dumb TV (monitor) to run my Xbox through as I run all my apps through that. Now I haven't bought an AMD product for many years but since the Xbox supports Freesync I'm looking at you AMD...
     
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    Much of this can be faked in SDR though. It's obviously not as go
    Yeah, true HDR is not going to be possible in current LCDs. You really need OLED for that. NVidia calls this "true HDR", but really it isn't. You can only make that claim for OLED displays.

    I'm sure it still looks better than SDR displays because of the higher range for gradients. You do get more detail without having to implement these weird fade-like transitions in games that happen depending on where you look in the game (towards a bright area or towards a dark area.) But calling it "true HDR" is at least a little bit dishonest. It's an LCD with a backlight. True HDR requires per-pixel control over brightness and contrast, and currently, only OLED can do that. (Maybe plasma too, but that tech kind of died? Oh, and CRT of course, which would give the best image qualiy possible, even better than OLED, but I doubt anybody would bring that back.)
     
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    You just completely changed arguments lol... the whole point of HDR is to expand the color space and the contrast. Nothing in your post talks about color space. And yeah, obviously having zoned backlights isn't as ideal as something like OLED for fine details - but if you have a scene where the top half is the sky and bottom half is a landscape you can boost the brightness of sky way higher than the landscape while preserving details in the dark areas that you otherwise couldn't with a single backlight. So while it won't make text pop it will definitely improve contrast of scenes depending on the content.

    I own a Samsung 8 Series LED with HDR and a LG C7 OLED with HDR, the C7 is significantly better.. but the 8 series with HDR enabled definitely has noticeably better contrast than disabled. I don't know how many backlights it has but I'll gladly look it up when i'm home.
     
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    Local dimming with 384 zones, HDR, 144Hz.. should be OK *if price will be under 1500$ + Tax. And FALD should fix their "quality backlight leak's".
    Hmm as it's Not a OLED panel's.. I like to see something better than IPS there - with higher native contrast, and better black.
    Higher inches.. is a must have for Me.. 4K + 27" + good quality AA, makes less sense - can use FXAA ;-)

    I not feel "pressure" on 144Hz - still happy with just 60Hz. But You guy's, will have problem's with 144Hz - (GPU/s). Forget 1080Ti will handle it.
    I have problems to delivier 60FPS! That's mostly why I build SLI setup - to provide 60Hz+60FPS, at 4K.
    Play with ~80 FPS, at 144Hz..? sound weird.. even with G-Sync.

    "I am curious though, at 27" wouldn't 2560x1440 be a much more viable option?"
    First High-End xD
     
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    You dont need OLED to create good HDR, just look at the Sony 75XE9405 review. FALD + MV (in this case) makes very deep blacks but point is that LCD lightpower is much more than OLED and it makes colours shine bright.



    ...bet these ”playtoys” are not even close to high end Sony but anyway it might not be bad automatically (or how you say it in english) :)
     
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    My eyes are bleeding after reading some of these comments. Here are side by side comparisons of pictures I took of Warcraft with my iPhone 7 in both 4K Dolby Vision(HDR) (left pic) and 4k SDR (right pic) on my own tv (Vizio P55-C1) which is an 55" IPS panel with 126 Zones. These are not doctored in any way just crappy photos with my iPhone, and even as generic as my process is you can clearly see the difference in the exact same scene paused down to the exact same second[​IMG]
     
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    There are varying levels and qualities of HDR. Vesa has established an open standard (DisplayHDR) to accommodate a wider range of displays that are capable of HDR at different levels or tiers. 1000cdm2 10-bit is not the absolute standard anymore, even though it may be the most optimal or effective.

    https://displayhdr.org/performance-criteria/
     
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    1000 nits is not HDR intended target, thats 10 times higher at 10k nits. 1000 nits was just selected as currently attainable except OLED that have exception for lower brightness.
    There are laser projectors cappable 3k nits, its just not something we will see in LED displays department anytime soon.
     
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    The one on the left has more green in it. You telling me they couldn't have added more green to the image on the right? Are normal IPS panels suddenly not capable of displaying colors? LOL. Its a racket and a gimmick IMO.
    Look man, people tend to keep their TV's a long time. Manufacturers can't like that. The best way to get people to buy a new TV is to rig the content to look worse on their current TV, basically forcing them to buy a new one if they want stuff to look normal again. Its artistically GIMPED to look worse. This sells TV's. Come on man you have to be smarter than this.
     

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    ....I can’t even
     
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    SDR
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    HDR
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    Almost spit my coffee all over. :D
     
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    This is the situation exactly.
     
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    4K high refresh @ 27" is right down my alley, for everything >27" is something I'd consider too large for my desk.

    The price tag will more than likely not be down my alley, though ;)
     

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